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Archive => Archived Boards => Local Crime and Disturbance Log => Topic started by: Russ on April 25, 2014, 02:25:02 PM
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Over the last 12 months I have heard of 7 burglaries, break-ins or attempted break-ins on Ridge Road, 1 on Peakdale Rd & 1 on Brookdale Ave (off Ridge rd), there are likely more that we are not aware of. All saints grave yard vandalised and more outbuilding break-ins further down on Church lane.
I have contacted our local Councillor, Shan Alexander, Andrew Stunnell MP & Police Inspector Steve Palmer. I've had 2 meetings with the MP & a visit from Superintendent John Berry. Just trying to get some Police presence in the area, all to no avail, haven't seen a bobby in months.
The only suggestion they come up with is Neighbourhood watch (DIY).
The people of Marple are paying on average (Band D) £153 portion of their council tax for Police protection, with 10,000 homes + business's this must amount to close on £2 million per annum. For this, they have closed our Police station & disbanded our local Police force. I believe we now share a couple of PCSO's with High lane & Marple Bridge. Anybody seen one?
Having looked on the Police website http://www.police.uk/ the burglaries & break-ins that we are aware of in our area do not appear to be recorded? I wonder why?
On an analysis of Marple as a whole, burglary doubled from 2011 to 2013 based on the figures from the Police website even with all their omissions.
Looking at other data probably based on Insurance claims, it would appear Marple has a burglary figure 30% - 50% higher than either the national average or north west average. See links:
http://www.findahood.com/locations/marplesouth/6276527
http://www.findahood.com/locations/marplenorth/6276518
I have tried to get some action but everybody I have spoken to has tried to play it down. Personally over the last 15 years I have been subjected to:
Two vehicles vandalised
Two vehicles stolen
Three outbuilding break-ins
One burglary
Several attempted break-ins
The most recent September 29th 2013 break-in & vehicle theft.
Are are becoming the crime capital of the North west if not the country as a whole.
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Two people were sentenced yesterday at Minshull St Crown Court for the recent spate of burglaries in the Marple area.
More details here: http://crimeandjustice.co.uk/2014/04/10/men-charged-with-burglary/
Between 31 January 2014 and 2 April 2014, homes in the Marple and Hyde areas were targeted and had jewellery, electrical goods and cash stolen.
I believe they face further charges.
When I know what their sentence was I'll re-post.
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Two people were sentenced yesterday at Minshull St Crown Court for the recent spate of burglaries in the Marple area.
More details here: http://crimeandjustice.co.uk/2014/04/10/men-charged-with-burglary/
Between 31 January 2014 and 2 April 2014, homes in the Marple and Hyde areas were targeted and had jewellery, electrical goods and cash stolen.
I believe they face further charges.
When I know what their sentence was I'll re-post.
Also posted here: http://crimeandjustice.co.uk/2014/04/10/men-charged-with-burglary/ (http://crimeandjustice.co.uk/2014/04/10/men-charged-with-burglary/)
Men charged with burglary
April 10, 2014, 2:43 pm
Two men have been charged with burglary.
Both were due to appear before Stockport Magistrates today, Thursday 10 April 2014.
Between 31 January 2014 and 2 April 2014, homes in the Marple and Hyde areas were targeted and had jewellery, electrical goods and cash stolen.
A large amount of property, including some sentimental items, has been recovered by police and identified by the victims.
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About time too. I heard they continued burgling properties while on bail & got picked up again.
Hopefully they'll get more than an asbo & a few hours community service. They have made our lives a misery lately & cost us a lot of money in extra security. I now have 4 security lights round our home. Nobody took any notice of our Burglar alarm going off at 3am when we were away for the w/e & got broken into last September.
I think there are others at it also though, some of the amateurish attempted outbuilding break-ins in my area seem more like the work of young teenagers.
With our road being so badly hit with break-ins, two neighbours & myself had a meeting on 2nd April with Superintendent John Berry who promised us he would have one of his officers visit all the houses on my road & also the adjacent roads in order to help set up a homewatch scheme with several coordinaters. A PCSO has visited 3 homes and asked for our email addresses last week, we have heard no more.
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Remain on full alert folks.
Apparently they've been granted bail, yet again!
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The Police objected to the bail request but the Court granted it!
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Sheer madness!
They are known to up their game when on bail.
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The Police objected to the bail request but the Court granted it!
Do I read this as ... they were convicted of a string of burglaries, but they were given bail because they face other charges?
Do you think it would be possible to charge whichever magistrate or judge gave bail with aiding and abetting an offender?
I hope that having picked them up for burglaries in the first few months of this year the police will investigate whether they were involved in the string of burglaries in 2013. Not that the courts are exactly helping the police or the community here.
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Do I read this as ... they were convicted of a string of burglaries, but they were given bail because they face other charges?
Do you think it would be possible to charge whichever magistrate or judge gave bail with aiding and abetting an offender?
I hope that having picked them up for burglaries in the first few months of this year the police will investigate whether they were involved in the string of burglaries in 2013. Not that the courts are exactly helping the police or the community here.
The guidelines for the court are here http://sentencingcouncil.judiciary.gov.uk/docs/Burglary_Definitive_Guideline_web_final.pdf (http://sentencingcouncil.judiciary.gov.uk/docs/Burglary_Definitive_Guideline_web_final.pdf)
Looking down the list on page 10, appears offences like this one don't tick enough of the boxes, see the ones I've marked in red as possibly relevant. So therefore bail gets repeatedly granted.
Factors increasing seriousness. Statutory aggravating factors:
- Previous convictions, having regard to a) the nature of the offence to which the conviction relates and its relevance to the current offence; and b) the time that has elapsed since the conviction*
- Offence committed whilst on bail
- Other aggravating factors include:
- Child at home (or returns home) when offence committed
- Offence committed at night
- Gratuitous degradation of the victim
- Any steps taken to prevent the victim reporting the incident or obtaining assistance and/or from assisting or supporting the prosecution
- Victim compelled to leave their home (in particular victims of domestic violence)
- Established evidence of community impact
- Commission of offence whilst under the influence of alcohol or drugs
- Failure to comply with current court orders
- Offence committed whilst on licence
- Offences Taken Into Consideration (TICs)
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Having looked on the Police website http://www.police.uk/ the burglaries & break-ins that we are aware of in our area do not appear to be recorded? I wonder why?
A recent report claimed that nationally 20% of crimes are not logged by the police so under-recording is not only a local isssue. Government claims of a falling crime rate are built on dodgy stats.
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A recent report claimed that nationally 20% of crimes are not logged by the police so under-recording is not only a local isssue. Government claims of a falling crime rate are built on dodgy stats.
Tried the site, entered area as Marple (as postcode approach doesn't recognise SK6), then worked fine.
(http://i.imgur.com/pSJN31F.png) (http://i.imgur.com/pSJN31F.png)
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Not sure how to post a link like sgk did there but take a look at another area outside of GMP's boundary but only a few miles from here. Maybe sgk can post the picture up for me.
What a difference! We Marple folk are paying a lot of money for a service we don't receive.
http://www.police.uk/cheshire/N015/crime/
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What a difference! We Marple folk are paying a lot of money for a service we don't receive.
http://www.police.uk/cheshire/N015/crime/
I suspect that comparison tells us more about Prestbury and Tytherington than it does about the police! Have a look at this: http://www.police.uk/greater-manchester/J2/crime/
The crime rate in Stockport East ranges from 151 in Offerton to 1 in Mellor. Which area of Stockport East is more comparable with Prestbury? ;)
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Is it just coincidental to this thread that in the last week I've seen our two community support officers twice in a week having not seen them in at least a year? Once on Station road, once on Longhurst Lane. Or are these seen as high risk areas at present?
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Is it just coincidental to this thread that in the last week I've seen our two community support officers twice in a week having not seen them in at least a year? Once on Station road, once on Longhurst Lane. Or are these seen as high risk areas at present?
Exactly, I've seen a PCSO twice on my road in the last week or so. Never seen one for years before.
If highlighting the problem helps get some Police presence then it's worth doing.
Comparing different areas on that Police website shows how bad it is in areas where the Police stations have been closed to those that still have a manned Police station.
Take a look at Poynton or Chapel-en-le-Frith which are outside of the GMP boundary so still have manned Police stations.
Crime & burglary in particular is far worse in Marple than it is Brinnington so we can compare figures with less affluent areas as well as more affluent areas like Tyrtherington as I did earlier. When I spoke with the Police I was told the high rate of robbery & burglary in Marple is because it is an affluent area, so I looked at what I saw as a slightly more affluent area. The excuse doesn't hold water.
This decision to close the small local Police stations has proven to be a very bad decision yet Superintendent John Berry said our Police stations will not come back, it is a decision made by the Chief constable that will not be reversed.
It takes a big man to admit he was wrong.
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To look at a more localised area on that Police website, enter the full postcode for a central point eg Natwest bank in Marple, then in the crime dropdown go to whatever you would like to look at eg Burglary, go the icons on top right & click on the middle round one and that gives a 1 mile radius of that postcode, eg: SK6 7AE
This shows 8 of our homes were burgled in March. From findings on the burglaries in my area, it will be at least double what is recorded.
http://www.police.uk/greater-manchester/J2/crime/burglary/+Ou7INM/
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Crime & burglary in particular is far worse in Marple than it is Brinnington
Not true. According to this map: http://www.police.uk/greater-manchester/J1/crime/ ...recorded crime in Brinnington last March totalled 84 (you have to click on the Brinnington area to get accurate figures). That compares with 68 in Marple.
But I agree entirely with Russ on this:
When I spoke with the Police I was told the high rate of robbery & burglary in Marple is because it is an affluent area ......... The excuse doesn't hold water.
Indeed. It's nonsense. All the maps show one thing - the rate of recorded crime in less affluent areas is much higher than in the more affluent areas.
This decision to close the small local Police stations has proven to be a very bad decision yet Superintendent John Berry said our Police stations will not come back, it is a decision made by the Chief constable that will not be reversed.
Agreed again. But let's not blame the chief constable. The reason for the widespread closure of local police stations is very simple - money. The Home Office has been cutting police budgets year on year ever since the present government came to power four years ago. If we want to complain to anyone, it should be Sir Andrew Stunnell!
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This thread is titled Burglaries & break-ins, not all crime. Let us not try to confuse the issue.
Marple is fairly low on recorded crime but one of, if not the highest in the North West for Burglary.
I have posted this link already, look at the burglary figures, 40% higher than than the NW average & 55% higher than the average for England & Wales.
http://www.findahood.com/locations/marplesouth/6276527
I don't understand why anybody would want to play it down. We must all be on alert and ensure others who are not aware of the situation are on guard also. I wouldn't want any more people having their homes ransacked or worse in some cases that have been reported.
Regarding closure of Police stations in the GMP area, Superintendent Berry told us that this decision was made by the Chief constable of GMP. You may notice that smaller communiteis eg Poynton & Chapel-en-le-frith are outside of GMP boundaries, their Police stations remain open.
Regarding contacting Andrew Stunnell MP, read the thread, I have had 2 meetings with Stunnell, he wrote to the Chief constable who sent Superintendent Berry to meet with some of the victims on my road including me.
Please read the thread.
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I don’t think that closure of local police stations has anything to do with it.
We needs a stable team of police officers and community support officers that spends most of their time working in Marple, as well as undercover officers that track suspected criminals and newly released criminals.
It is not important where in Stockport the officers have their desks, as they should hardly ever be at their desks. Local police stations are most useful when you need to take a document into the police, but they cost a lot to keep staffed.
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This thread is titled Burglaries & break-ins, not all crime. Let us not try to confuse the issue.
Point taken.
Regarding contacting Andrew Stunnell MP, read the thread, I have had 2 meetings with Stunnell, he wrote to the Chief constable who sent Superintendent Berry to meet with some of the victims on my road including me.
I'm well aware from Russ's original post that he has met our MP, and I never suggested otherwise. However, the fact remains that the ultimate responsibility for the reductions in policing lies with the politicians. And as ringi points out it's not just about the closure of local police stations, it's also about the reductions in the number of police officers. There are apparently 10,000 fewer police officers now compared with 2010! :o
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We needs a stable team of police officers and community support officers that spends most of their time working in Marple, as well as undercover officers that track suspected criminals and newly released criminals.
Spot on there Ringi
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And as ringi points out it's not just about the closure of local police stations, it's also about the reductions in the number of police officers. There are apparently 10,000 fewer police officers now compared with 2010! :o
Couldn't agree more. We could hardly justify having a Police station in the village when we only have 2 PCSO's.
I still fail to understand why the various Police forces are failing to record the current levels of crime. Wouldn't you think they'd want to highlight the vast increase as a result of the reduction in manning?
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/may/01/uk-police-failing-record-20-percent-crime-report
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To get back to one of my original points, the people of Marple alone are paying in the region of £2m for Police protection & we rarely if ever see any Police presence. The criminals must also have noted this lack of visible Policing.
Now look at Poynton with a population of 10,000 that has a fully manned Police station with 3 or 4 Police cars sat outside. This in itself must tell the criminals that there is a greater chance of getting caught. Poynton has minimal burglary and robbery compared to Marple.
When I asked our Mr Stunnell why Poynton had this luxury while Marple had next to zilch, he said "Well Poynton is Cheshire & Marple is Gtr Manchester". Not a very satisfactory answer eh?
It would be nice to feel relatively safe again. Even nicer to feel as safe as our neighbours in Poynton.
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The police station in Poynton is now closed, and the staff who manned it have been moved to Macclesfield. The building is up for sale with a big sign on the site...
I guess crime will no be going up in Poynton now there is little or no police presence :o :o
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Not good closing Poynton Police station is it? There was several Police cars there last time I passed a few weeks ago. Macclesfield Police do seem to be fairly active in the suburbs though, burglary in Bollington is averaging only 1 per month.
I was in Engineering for 45 years and saw the difference between preventative maintenance & fire brigade maintenance. problem is, hierarchy can't see the benefits of preventative work. They only see something that's broken crawling with people trying to get it fixed.
GMP have resorted to fire brigade Policing, maybe because they are rewarded by results? Preventative Policing doesn't show results in the same way does it.
Hopefully in my lifetime we will get back to preventative Police work. This could work out far cheaper by discouraging crime thereby freeing up the courts and prisons.
Meanwhile let us all keep an eye out for each other and especially for our elderly neighbours.
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Looking at the Burglary figures for Marple, it looks like the "Scrotes" are now busy in the North Marple area & Marple Bridge. Take care they are still about & burgled 11 of our homes in April. That's 11 families homes ransacked & lives devastated.
http://crimeandjustice.co.uk/crime-map#Marple
The local papers don't seem to cover the crime in our village anything like the Derbyshire Times coverage for the Peak District:
http://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/crime
It would be useful if we have a local correspondent for the Stockport times & MEN to shake things up & hopefully get more Police presence. Every little helps, if anybody is in contact with the media.
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Not exactly Marple-related, but I thought I'd share this with you.
A work colleague living in Goostrey had a petrol lawnmower nicked from his garden shed a few days ago. An equally expensive barbecue was moved out of the way and left. The shed had an easily-broken lock. Also, nearby houses / sheds were raided and relieved of a garden cultivator, a trailer and a newly-planted birch hedge (!).
I have heard tales of dodgy garden maintenance companies nicking tools at the start of the season - which is now - to facilitate their activities. So it's not just bikes which are desirable. Definitely time to check the security of sheds/outbuildings.
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Sheer madness!
They are known to up their game when on bail.
Well probably but all they have to do is ask for xx other offences of the same nature to be taken into consideration.
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The police station in Poynton is now closed, and the staff who manned it have been moved to Macclesfield. The building is up for sale with a big sign on the site...
I guess crime will no be going up in Poynton now there is little or no police presence :o :o
Fortunately for the good people of Poynton they come under Cheshire constabulary, although now based in Macclesfield, provide much better resources than the minimal & hard pressed resources that GMP provide to Marple, Marple Bridge & High lane population of approx 35,000 residents.
See link to the current Poynton Policing team to cover a population of 10,000 residents:
http://www.cheshire.police.uk/my-neighbourhood/macclesfield/poynton/your-team.aspx
Our only advice from Superintendent John Berry is to set up homewatch (DIY) to try and protect ourselves. Like I said, some media publicity to highlight the scale of the problem in Marple might help.
We are told the problem is worse in Marple because it is an affluent area? but so easy to check other areas eg Bollington, Poynton, Hayfield, etc with negligible burglary to disprove this theory. We really must have more resource.
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Fortunately for the good people of Poynton they come under Cheshire constabulary, although now based in Macclesfield, provide much better resources than the minimal & hard pressed resources that GMP provide to Marple, Marple Bridge & High lane population of approx 35,000 residents. See link to the current Poynton Policing team to cover a population of 10,000 residents:
Don't wish to dispute Russ's good points about burglary in Marple, but the actual populations of Marple and Poynton are not as far apart as he suggests: Marple c 23,500, including High Lane, Marple Bridge, Mellor, Strines etc. Poynton c 14,500.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marple,_Greater_Manchester
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poynton
I suspect the underlying reason for GMP's inability to provide us with the level of policing that Cheshire Constabulary provide Poynton may have something to do with the overall levels of crime in the two police areas. If you compare the figures on these two sites:
http://www.ukcrimestats.com/Police_Force/Greater_Manchester_Police
http://www.ukcrimestats.com/Police_Force/Cheshire_Constabulary
.... you can see that in March this year, for example, whilst 7,357 crimes were reported in Cheshire, 26,288 were reported in Greater Manchester. And however bad burglaries are round here, it's safe to assume that there are other parts of the city where crime is a great deal higher, and where the Police therefore have to concentrate their diminishing resources. efforts. I'm not trying to justify the low level of policing round here, I'm just attempting to work out an explanation.
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We were a victim of burglary last year. A number of points stood out with the police handling of it.
- Their stated target response time was 4 hours (which they only just met). Given that my children's return to the house almost certainly disturbed the burglars and that our back door was in pieces letting in a heavy rain storm I think that was inadequate.
- They (that is, a Sergeant in Hazel Grove) closed the case automatically after 24 hours(!) on the basis of "no further evidence". Their only detective work - that of the local PCSO going round knocking on the doors of whichever neighbours happened to be in - wasn't exactly major effort.
- I gave them some lines of inquiry (an item, of the precise same and unusual type as one stolen, appearing for a very short period on eBay immediately after the burglary) and they never bothered to follow it up.
Sure, nobody was physically injured, but it was certainly costly, time-consuming to sort out, left us worrying about leaving the house for any length of time, and devastating in that we lost some items of irreplaceable sentimental value.
There are too many house burglaries in Marple, probably done by a small number of gangs and repeat offenders, and the current Greater Manchester Police effort in detection is inadequate.
If anyone has information about burglaries or general crime in Marple, or about subsequent trials and convictions, please keep posting them on this website.
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Marple has 30% - 40% more burglaries than the North west or the UK as a whole, average calculated per 1,000 people, see links, again!
http://www.findahood.com/locations/marplesouth/6276527
http://www.findahood.com/locations/marplenorth/6276518
Petty crime in Marple is lower than the average. Probably because the "scrotes" are all too busy with the easy pickings of burgling our homes to be bothered with the petty stuff.
Anybody who has been burgled will hopefully be on board with pursuing Councillors, MP's & Police to get some action in our village before it turns any worse, if that is possible. I was hoping the people who have yet to be burgled might come on board also.
I see no justification in making excuses for the current situation.
The more we highlight the problem the more people we will make aware it's time to up their security.
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Police are currently at a house on Ridge road that got robbed again at 11.30am today.
This house at the bottom end of the road was robbed back end of last year, same pattern, round the back and a rock through the patio glass doors. I heard it was a chimney pot they used last time.
Likely to be the same "Scrotes" that did them last time, police say they usually come back after you've replaced everything.
There's no deterrent, the police catch the scrotes and the courts let them loose again.
Keep your guard up folks.
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It was my house,2nd time in 18 months (not a chimney pot last time) but you are right about the stone through back door. Same MO as last time. Happened between 11 and 12 in morning......
Maybe a CCTV camera on Ridge Rd would help, I don't think there is a solution just be on you guard and let neighbours know if you are going away etc.,
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Yes, let the neighbours know you're going on your hols, but seems we cant pop to the shops without getting burgled. It's like they're sat outside in broad daylight watching for people leaving their homes.
The previous house burglary on this road 2/3 months ago was same MO as the one above, round the back and a brick through the back door glass to gain entry. that was around 2.30pm when the occupiers had gone shopping for an hour or so.
There must be a double shift of "scrotes", the sheds & garages seem to be done by the night shift at 3am - 5am.
At this rate we will soon become uninsurable!
A house near me was having a new alarm fitted at w/e, I spoke with the fitter who told me he had also been fitting a lot of new alarms in the Rose Hill area following break-ins. His advice was to have an alarm that is loud inside the house as well as outside.
Stay alert, the scrotes keep getting bail.
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Yes, let the neighbours know you're going on your hols, but seems we cant pop to the shops without getting burgled. It's like they're sat outside in broad daylight watching for people leaving their homes.
The previous house burglary on this road 2/3 months ago was same MO as the one above, round the back and a brick through the back door glass to gain entry. that was around 2.30pm when the occupiers had gone shopping for an hour or so.
There must be a double shift of "scrotes", the sheds & garages seem to be done by the night shift at 3am - 5am.
At this rate we will soon become uninsurable!
A house near me was having a new alarm fitted at w/e, I spoke with the fitter who told me he had also been fitting a lot of new alarms in the Rose Hill area following break-ins. His advice was to have an alarm that is loud inside the house as well as outside.
Stay alert, the scrotes keep getting bail.
There are four recently released from prison live in the area . Two are brothers ........
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Someone just knocked on my door and when I opened it only a few seconds later I saw a figure already heading away from my house and halfway down the drive. He turned when he heard the door opening and said, 'Excuse me for bothering you, but is your car for sale?'
Bit of a random question, I thought, but I'll play along. 'No it's not,' I replied. 'Okay, then, thanks.' He turned around and left.
Your thoughts, please: is it possible that this particular chap was not at all interested in whether my car was for sale, but rather, were there any occupants in the house? I can't imagine too many people would be interested in buying a Y reg Ford.
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Lucky you were in eh Barndoor.
You could have been the next one for the brick through the back door window.
I've heard they've also used the distraction tactics of one at the front keeping the occupier talking while the brother nips in the back & up the stairs.
The Police are on their case but can only take them to the courts that keep turning them loose on us.
Be on guard, two of them have been bailed twice but still at it.
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Something similar happened about 3 weeks ago to us, somebody knocked on our door while three lads stood at the end of the drive asking if we knew if the family who lived there before us was called "Thompson" or something similar, this was an older guy, lads at the drive all late teens early 20's in leisurewear. Then a week later on a Friday afternoon my son told me somebody knocked on asking something similar. This was constable drive.
Thought it was suspect at the time, even more so after my son told me what happened.
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Are people reporting these suspicious incidents to the police? It's possible they'll do nothing but they certainly won't if they aren't aware this sort of thing is going on.
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Are people reporting these suspicious incidents to the police? It's possible they'll do nothing but they certainly won't if they aren't aware this sort of thing is going on.
Try take photos .if they run you know they are dodgy people .
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This was constable drive.
Ironic. Seems like that is what we need!
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This was constable drive.
Is that anywhere near Letsbe Avenue?
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Is that anywhere near Letsbe Avenue?
Try google maps
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Whoosh!
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We visited an elderly friend of my Mothers today, she was telling us about her daughters family being burgled, she knew who the "Scrotes" were because they were seen carrying the Television down the road to a car apparently belonging to his girlfriend. The Police were called and the thieves were arrested she told me. They had taken a cover off the young ones bed to try and conceal the TV but how low can they get to have smashed open the young ones piggy bank & taken his savings.
They were released on bail & still on the loose so take care folks.
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Does anyone know what happened in response to these?
http://crimeandjustice.co.uk/2014/04/10/men-charged-with-burglary/ (http://crimeandjustice.co.uk/2014/04/10/men-charged-with-burglary/)
http://crimeandjustice.co.uk/2014/04/08/witness-appeal-armed-robbery-marple/ (http://crimeandjustice.co.uk/2014/04/08/witness-appeal-armed-robbery-marple/)
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Interestingly, these maps don't appear to tally with the reports on local crime we receive, via email, from Neighbourhood Watch?
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Interestingly, these maps don't appear to tally with the reports on local crime we receive, via email, from Neighbourhood Watch?
The maps certainly don't acknowledge that our house (or a nearby one) got burgled last year. Have Greater Manchester Police been "under-reporting"?
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The maps certainly don't acknowledge that our house (or a nearby one) got burgled last year. Have Greater Manchester Police been "under-reporting"?
Exactly! None of the several burglaries on my road have come up on the Police web site?
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Does anyone know what happened in response to these?
http://crimeandjustice.co.uk/2014/04/10/men-charged-with-burglary/ (http://crimeandjustice.co.uk/2014/04/10/men-charged-with-burglary/)
http://crimeandjustice.co.uk/2014/04/08/witness-appeal-armed-robbery-marple/ (http://crimeandjustice.co.uk/2014/04/08/witness-appeal-armed-robbery-marple/)
The people in that first link are on bail awaiting trial last I heard.
There are conflicting stories about who was involved in the Praggs robbery?
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Latest update from GMP via emails on the Marple burglars. There is no mention of the Jewellers & s/h shops being prosecuted for handling stolen property?
Below is an overview of where we are up to with the prosecution of the 3 offenders. As you can see one is now remanded in Custody
Offender 1 is charged with 4 x Burglaries. He has been arrested on 3 occasions for breaching his bail conditions. On the last occasion, he was remanded in custody, however made a bail application and managed to convince the Judge to release him. This was despite the fact one of our detectives attended court over the course of 3 days to object.Offender 1 told various stories to the court about the reasons for the breaches, which we were able to disprove, however he was still granted bail. Since then he committed a further burglary, and went on his holidays to Zante using his brother's passport. He has since been arrested for Breach of Bail, escape lawful custody and passport offences, and has been Remanded in custody since 11/7/14.
Offender 2 is charged with 4 x Burglaries. He was bailed after his most recent arrest, however failed to appear at court. He was arrested for this on 15/7/14, and released by the courts, to attend at Minshull Street CrownCourt on 30/7/14. I believe will be a preliminary hearing as the matter is listed for trial in November.
Offender3 is charged with 3 x Burglaries . There have been no issues in relation to his bail. He has no conditions.
There is some overlap with the offences they are charged with, however, in total 7 offences of burglary dwelling have been attributed to these 3.
Quite a lot of property has been recovered from various second hand shops and jewellers all over the Greater Manchester area
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The 3 burglars listed above should not necessarily be associated with any that have previously been caught, reported or named.
The post is a warning to Marple residents that there are still 2 prolific burglars on the loose. This will be most frustrating for what is left of our Police force.
Take care of your property folks. Locks & alarms are a must, do not relax.
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On the good side, burglary would appear to be down for July. Our Bobbies getting to know who to keep an eye on?
http://crimeandjustice.co.uk/crime-map/#Marple
Not good for the 5 families who had their homes robbed & trashed by the thieving scum though.
Don't ease up on the homewatch folks, there are several known burglars still out & about, other than the ones that keep getting caught. Maybe our resident scrotes were working another area in July.
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Just been reading this article & hoping it doesn't happen here then remembered it already has, one elderly lady in Marple Bridge I read about in the local papers was tied to her radiator if I remember correctly. And an elderly man on kidney dialysis had his Audi TT car keys taken at knife-point at his home on Strines road. I'm sure there will be others that we are not aware of.
We really need the Police coverage we used to have in Marple. Take care before opening the door to strangers.
Read link:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3613417/An-Englishmans-home-is-his-dungeon.html
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Just been reading this article & hoping it doesn't happen here then remembered it already has, one elderly lady in Marple Bridge I read about in the local papers was tied to her radiator if I remember correctly. And an elderly man on kidney dialysis had his Audi TT car keys taken at knife-point at his home on Strines road. I'm sure there will be others that we are not aware of.
We really need the Police coverage we used to have in Marple. Take care before opening the door to strangers.
Read link:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3613417/An-Englishmans-home-is-his-dungeon.html
Well done, Russ. An article from nearly 10 years ago.
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Well done, Russ. An article from nearly 10 years ago.
Yes, unfortunately it has all come true to life & here in Marple eh?
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Whilst I think it's quite good that somebody is giving us a heads up on all the local crime, and even detailing what occurs in court afterwards, I must say you're striking fear into everybody a little bit Russ!
My girlfriend and I woke up at 02:45 the other night to the sound of banging downstairs. I grabbed my phone, she grabbed a coat hanger (she doesn't know why, says she panicked ;D) and together we crept downstairs to find that our pet degus had moved the wheel over to the front of their vivarium and were banging it against the glass when they were running on it.
It's this thread (and seriously, this thread alone) that had us so worried!! And now every time I see a police car around Marple I am thinking a house has been burgled.
Yes people need to keep their wits about them, but in actuality people shouldn't live in fear... wherever they live... lifes too short to spend so much time worrying about these "scrotes" :-\
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You don't have to read it.
Most of the lucky people who haven't yet been a victim are not in the least concerned.
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You don't have to read it.
I don't.... And I sleep very happy in my bed whether I'm here in Marple or not.... There are far, far worse places to live; yet if you put enough effort into it you can paint any story with internet facts and disclosures.... If Russ moved to SW1A 1AA he'd complain that either crimes were going unreported or that instances of trespass disguised the true crime of "going equipped".
RH.
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I don't.... And I sleep very happy in my bed whether I'm here in Marple or not.... There are far, far worse places to live; yet if you put enough effort into it you can paint any story with internet facts and disclosures.... If Russ moved to SW1A 1AA he'd complain that either crimes were going unreported or that instances of trespass disguised the true crime of "going equipped".
RH.
Like I said in my last post:- Most of the lucky people who haven't yet been a victim are not in the least concerned.
And then one pops up. Like magic isn't it.
Thankfully we have had some positive contributions from Councillors Shan Alexander & William Wragg, also from Andrew Stunnell MP who are all aware of the issues we are experiencing & have written to GMP on our behalf.
This is likely why people are seeing more Police presence on the streets be it on foot in patrol cars or vans. I thank them for that. This could also be why the break-ins in July is so much reduced.
I shouldn't have to explain this yet again but this thread is solely about burglary in our small town. Other crime is no worse than other comparable areas.
Burglary in Marple as you should be aware if your neighbours speak to you, is at a much higher rate than the North West average & the UK average as a whole. So there are not far, far worse areas on this issue. facts not fiction is always good when trying to make a point.
Positive contributions are always welcome, actions more so. The more people on board the less burglaries, hopefully.
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We do, however, have a responsibility for the safety of our own property and to a certain extent to that of our neighbours. In the hypothetical scenario of the decoy knocking on the front door while the accomplice nips in the back - why was the back door unlocked when no-one was in the kitchen? Do we challenge people who are lurking around our neighbour's house or looks as if s/he's "casing" the area? Do we make sure we have ladders safely locked away and that we don't leave useful breaking and entering equipment such as the odd brick or garden implement lying around in our gardens for the benefit of an opportunist? Do we do out best to make our house look occupied when we aren't in it? Do we ALWAYS lock our car when we go into the hose even if it's only left for 5 minutes. Do we know what our children are doing when they are not under our supervision? After all, as any police officer will tell you, not all criminals come from disreputable homes. Do we mind our tongues when in the company of strangers? "Careless Talk Costs Lives" as the posters said. It gets you house broken into, too. I was having lunch in a pub recently when a customer near me was discoursing in a loud voice about the lock on her back door not being very secure. If I was a burglar's moll I could easily have followed her home and then reported back to my burglar boyfriend with the inevitable results.
It's up to us to make our property the one which the thief walks past because it isn't a soft touch. There's no point in going out and leaving our windows open and then complaining about a lack of police presence when we come back and find we no longer possess a television or grandma's engagement ring.
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Henrietta, when our house in Marple was burgled the single most costly item was not any particular thing stolen but making good the substantial damage caused by forced entry. Triple-locking the back door clearly didn't help here.
Let's not blame the householder - let's get these thieves off the streets for good.
And a four-hour response time from the police (their target, apparently) is not acceptable. You could drive to London in that time.
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Henrietta, when our house in Marple was burgled the single most costly item was not any particular thing stolen but making good the substantial damage caused by forced entry. Triple-locking the back door clearly didn't help here.
Let's not blame the householder - let's get these thieves off the streets for good.
And a four-hour response time from the police (their target, apparently) is not acceptable. You could drive to London in that time.
Based at longsite now not stockport ..
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See message from William Wragg for anybody not on his mailing list. Go along and make your feelings heard.
Dear resident,
I've spoken to thousands of people across the constituency in recent months. One issue that comes up time and again is crime.
Because of this, I have asked the Secretary of State for Justice, Chris Graying, to come and speak with residents about crime, prevention of crime, offending, and justice.
Chris is responsible in Government for making improvements to our criminal justice and prison system, as well as victim support and re-offending.
He will be speaking at Marple Conservative Club, Church Lane, SK6 7AY, on Thursday 18th September for a 3.15pm start.
If you would like to come, raise your concerns and ask him questions, please do so. It would be helpful if you could let me know in advance by return email, or by completing this form here.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1odLar5kf1vvTiUR87r-xsHhLWSTS0_egLCUq-xA9CJ8/viewform
Tea and coffee will be served.
And please share this invitation with any family and friends who would be interested in coming along.
Best wishes
William Wragg
Prospective Conservative MP
Hazel Grove
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I don't think 3.15pm on a weekday afternoon is going to be of much use to the majority of the working population.
In case the Secretary of State for Justice gets the wrong idea about the average age in Marple, couldn't he be persuaded to speak in the evening?
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I don't think 3.15pm on a weekday afternoon is going to be of much use to the majority of the working population.
In case the Secretary of State for Justice gets the wrong idea about the average age in Marple, couldn't he be persuaded to speak in the evening?
Average age may not want to come out in the evening now it's going dark .not everyone has a car
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I would say, the time & day will determine a poor turnout to show a lack of interest & little concern. They play with statistics. Do your best to make a bit of time, those that can. Obviously it is not practical for the working age population, unfortunately.
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Any sign of plod on the beat lately?
I did read that a couple of our resident scrotes were up at crown court on 25th September but cannot find any report of the outcome, anybody heard?
Our Councillors & Politicians seem to be washing their hands of the mess they've caused in reducing our protection.
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The 3 persons charged with a number of offences in the Marple area, their trial date is 24th November at 10:00 am at Minshull St. Crown Court. The trial is expected to last 4-5 days.
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The 3 defendants changed their plea to guilty at the last minute and are now scheduled to appear on 27/1/15 for sentencing at Minshull St.
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I wondered why they had disappeared from the court lists, when their earlier hearings had been noted online. One presumes (hopes) that they are locked up before their sentencing. Seems to be one particularly bad Marple family.
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Unfortunately I think 2 are out on bail!
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I have a further update. There are 4 brothers who have been charged with a number of offences, at present 3 are on remand and one is out on bail. When they have been are sentenced the Police have promised to issue a press statement.
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The 3 defendants changed their plea to guilty at the last minute and are now scheduled to appear on 27/1/15 for sentencing at Minshull St.
Any news on this? Also, any information on precisely which burglaries/offences they have been charged with or "asked to be taken into consideration".
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If you look at the following site http://www.thelawpages.com/court-hearings-lists/crown-court-lists-archive.php (http://www.thelawpages.com/court-hearings-lists/crown-court-lists-archive.php) and search the court listed as Manchester Minshull St you will see that throughout Jan there has been a number of hearings over January and some are still ongoing. When I get further info I will post it.
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Nice one Victor, I believe one of Marple's resident burglars was up for sentencing yesterday.
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I have a further update. There are 4 brothers who have been charged with a number of offences, at present 3 are on remand and one is out on bail. When they have been are sentenced the Police have promised to issue a press statement.
Did the police ever issue this press statement?
Are we yet able to name/discuss this particular family on a public forum?
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Just received sentence details they are:-
Defendant 1: 12 month community order (curfew for 6 months)
Defendant 2: 32 months imprisonment
Defendant 3: 32 months imprisonment
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But it isn't 32 months is it? It's really 16 months. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. I just wish our elected representatives really believed this.
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The MEN will report on this when all the cases against all brothers have been heard. This is likely to be mid to late April.