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« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2006, 08:46:36 PM »
'Soon to be banned in pubs? I WISH!'

Your wish is granted, Tina!  Smoking in English pubs, clubs and bars will be illegal from June 2007.  Oh, except for the bars in the Houses of Parliament of course, because our MPs should be able to boss us around without having to put up with the consequences themselves, now shouldn't  they..   '<img'>

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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2006, 10:36:27 PM »
Let's not forget the people that work in these establishments - they are as exposed to passive smoking as the customers. And, as the case a couple of years ago at Stockport Council is anything to go by, if an employee becomes ill through the effects of passive smoking the employer could be liable.
Whilst I feel  sorry for the smokers of the world (not least because they are decreasing their life expectancy) not being able to light up for a few hours is not going to kill them (although smoking might! ) and I welcome the change in the law. As for the Dolce Vita - who is to say that their patronage won't go up if they at least have a no smoking area (or floor for goodness sake! ). If this website is to go by a lot of people are avoiding the place for the very reason they don't have a NS area. Th food there is pretty good, but I wouldn't go until they could guarantee me a smoke free table
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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2006, 07:31:01 PM »
I read this today, it certainly makes you think





The health risks of passive smoking may have been substantially underestimated, according to the first large-scale study looking at tobacco-derived chemicals in the blood of non-smokers.

The new study puts passive smokers' risk of developing coronary heart disease at more than double earlier estimates, which were based only on studies of non-smokers living with a partner who smokes.

The large difference can be attributed to non-smokers breathing in cigarette smoke at work, in bars and other smoky environments outside the home, the researchers suggest.

Between 1978 and 1980, more than 2000 British men aged between 40 and 59 years underwent a blood test for cotinine, a break-down product of nicotine from cigarette smoke. Cotinine remains in the blood for up to 48 hours, and so is an indicator of a person's exposure to smoke up to two-days prior to testing.

The men were rated in four groups according to their blood cotinine levels, and the incidence of coronary heart disease in the groups was measured over a 20-year period.

Elevated concentrations
Researchers at St George's Medical School and the Royal Free UCL Medical School in London, UK, found that elevated concentrations of blood cotinine levels among the non-smokers were associated with a 50 to 60% greater risk of coronary heart disease. Earlier partner-smoking studies estimated the increased risk of heart disease in passive smokers at just 25 to 30%.

Peter Whincup, at St George's Medical School, notes: "The relative risk of coronary heart disease associated with high levels of passive smoking is greater than that estimated by partner smoking alone, even at exposure levels of 20 cigarettes a day or more."

He acknowledges that living with someone who smokes is an important component of exposure to passive smoking, but says "it accounts for less than half the variation in cotinine concentration among non-smokers and does not take account of additional exposure in workplaces and in public places, particularly pubs and restaurants".

On Wednesday, the British Medical Association will present UK prime minister Tony Blair with 4500 letters from doctors calling for a ban on smoking in public places. Whincup agrees, saying: "We advocate restricting passive smoking wherever possible, including in public places."

However, the researchers note that the actual future risks of passive smoking could be less than measured in their study, due to the decline in public and workplace smoking over recent years. Also, the study found that the risk of stroke was not significantly related to cotinine concentrations.

Journal reference: British Medical Journal (DOI: 10.1136/bmj.38146.427188.55)

tina

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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2006, 07:20:37 PM »
As a non smoker (never have been and never will)
I hate going out for a social drink or meal, because I always come home smelling of stale fags! its disgusting!
Every smoker has a choice to smoke, but knowing the effects it has on other people's health, does not stop them from lighting up in public.
Some members of my family and friends smoke but always respect my home and smoke outside. So why can't smokers do the same in restaurants?

Soon to be banned in pubs? I WISH!  ':p'

Rachael

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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2006, 03:52:52 PM »
I think you could say that it works both ways Dave, I wont go in the Dolce Vita for the very reason that you can smoke at any table,  I know Ive got choices to take my custom elsewhere.  But if anything, it is the height of bad manners to light up and inflict their passive smoke when Im eating my dinner.

Being an ex smoker myself, I still felt the same when I did smoke, eating and having  smoke blowing around you  from other people is vile.

I would think that it works fifty fifty, their custom maybe increased by it being non smoking, only time can tell, I would be more likely to visit if it was.

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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2006, 02:06:57 PM »
Thought I better check this in case it was offensive and tried a free translation site - you seem to have got the gist of it Rich. This is exactly what the translation came up with:

Not sosterrò "the Sweet Life", when the steaming prohibition to come into effect.  They had not care or consideration for the not-smokers completely.  The will is the architect of there possiede the demise.

Steaming........!
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Dave

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« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2006, 02:05:52 PM »
Although the new smoking law refers to pubs and restaurants as 'public places' they are actually private premises.  This is (or was) a free country: if people want to smoke on private premises they should be able to do so, just as those of us who don't like smoking are free to take our custom elsewhere.  

The Dolce Vita's customers are people who want a fag after their pizza, and other people who don't mind that.  The rest of us don't go there.  It works perfectly well.   If the Dolce Vita 'demises' when the smoking ban becomes law, that will just drive the owners out of business and deprive the customers of somewhere they like going.  What's the point of that?   '<img'>

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« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2006, 01:21:54 PM »
I dont read Italian but I think Umberto says - (guessing here)

I will not support the dolce vita when the smoking ban comes into effect.

they have not had care or compassion for non-smokers and this will be the architect of their demise?

something like that anyways..

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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2006, 11:45:57 AM »
Non sosterrò "il Dolce Vita", quando il divieto fumante entrare in vigore. Non hanno avuti riguardo o considerazione per i non-fumatori affatto. La volontà è l'architetto di là possiede il demise

Rachael

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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2006, 04:26:55 PM »
What is not petty about sitting down to a lovely meal with people, then having some selfish person light up on the next table  and blow smoke over you and your food, as well as being disgusting, its just plain rude!!

I dont mind people smoking, and pubs, I dont mind either, but restraunts, its a big no no for me.

I welcome the law change, most definately.

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Dave

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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2006, 07:09:57 PM »
It's a completely ridiculous law by our bossy control freak MPs.  Even our own MP supported it - does 'liberal' in 'Liberal Democrat' mean anything any more?

I don't smoke and I avoid smoky pubs - not difficult, as many of them round here have good ventilation and/or non-smoking areas.  No-one is forced to eat or drink in a smoky environment.  And as for the suggestion that banning smoking might be good for business - if that were the case then we wouldn't need this stupid law - pubs and restaurants would choose to ban it anyway.

It's all so petty and interfering.  But one thing's for sure - there's now going to be a boom in those outdoor patio heaters - the ones that blast a great big hole in the ozone layer.  Now that really is serious...........  '<img'>

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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2006, 03:57:36 PM »
I have to agree about the Dolce Vita, Alan. I have not been there for three years and won't be returning until the smoking ban comes in. When I last went, I asked for a non-smoking table and they pointed out that it was smoking throughout (despite the fact that they have two floors and are denying themselves custom). However, the smoking throughout rule is clearly not hurting them as they don't seem to lack for business.

Having a smoking area in a restaurant is like having a peeing area in the swimming pool.

Barbara

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« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2006, 01:10:54 PM »
I think the vast majority of people are going to welcome the smoking ban.  It is so unpleasant finding that your clothes still smell like an old ashtray the day after visiting your local.  People I have talked to say that in Ireland the pubs are busier than ever now since the ban over there, so I don't think that landlords need worry too much about losing trade.  And it should have been banned in restaurants years ago!!

alan@marple

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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2006, 11:25:54 AM »
Well I am so pleased that smoking is to be banned inside pubs and restaurants and I shall look forward to have a meal in a smoke free environment at the Dolce Vita. This is the restaurant that has a stiker in the window saying 'smoking throughout" Thats the only reason that I have not been in the place for tha last few years.

I realise of course that it is not good news for the smokers, but they will be ok if they wrapp up in warm clothing for the beer garden when they need to smoke.

Now dont get me wrong, I use to smoke 100 a day and I always had to make sure I had got some gigs for the morning so that I could have a drag before I got out of bed and even when short of cash went and emtied the ash trays for a roll up. So I have every sympathy for those who smoke, but must thank them in advance for when the air will once again be smoke free, as will my hair, my clothes and my well being.

I saw the price of some gigs the other day £5.20  wow, I can get a good chinese meal for that.

Friday night  3 Pints =£5.70

20 Gigs                   =£5.20.

I suppose its not to expensive a night especially if you earn more than the minimum hourly rate wage....for one

My prediction for the budget will be an extra 20p for 20 gigs
and 1p for a pint.

Think about it!.

Incidently I am writing this from my hotel in Lanzorote  smoking is barred anywhere inside espedially the restuarants. it really does make such a differnce, but breakfast is still noisy at times listening not to excited children, but "bubling chests and smokers coughs the sound of plegme being recycled is quite off putting when having a boiled egg, still never mind eh!

I do hope you will all be able to get over this disappointing news, and by the way, dont blame the landlords, cos the darn't let you smoke.

Sorry for the spelling, no spell check here in

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Oh and I also want to thank the government cos as I am a pensioner I got the winter warm allowance of £200 so Ive come to the canaries to get warm, but I was so surpised to learn from some british folk who live here, that they get the allowance as well even though they dont live in the UK