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« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2019, 01:48:29 PM »
Or- GASP - just use some money that's reserved for such things rather than wasting time, money and effort by trying to reserve cash pointlessly from a single source.  Your solution just creates pointless bureaucracy. 

You've hit the nail on the head here. I'm sure the very process of assessing and creating this cost summary has in itself cost several thousand pounds. A site visit, collating quotes, writing the report.... Our friends at the TownHall and Fred Perry House love bureaucracy because it keeps them in jobs and the more of it the better, they don't actually care if anything gets done!

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« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2019, 07:15:09 PM »
Incidentally I can tell you EXACTLY what would happen if a proportion of car parking fees at Etherow was reserved for the park.

THE FUNDING FROM THE MAIN BUDGET WOULD BE REDUCED ACCORDINGLY.

It won't increase Etherow's budget.  It can't increase Etherow's budget.

Why? Because that money is being spent somewhere right now by the council.  Keeping it in the park just reduces the amount of money to spend elsewhere.  Something else has to give.  Keeping the money in the park does not magically increase the money the council has.  It just moves money from one pot to another.  And adds a layer of hassle for the council accountants.

Seriously.  Change the record. 

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« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2019, 07:06:18 PM »
Is that too much of a sum to be taken out of the Car Park charges that go to other, non Etherow Country Park projects?

Or- GASP - just use some money that's reserved for such things rather than wasting time, money and effort by trying to reserve cash pointlessly from a single source.  Your solution just creates pointless bureaucracy. 

Seriously change the record.  Stop worrying about where the money comes from and concentrate on the need for the money.  Focus on what is relevant. The exact source of park funding from the council income is  irrelevant.    The need for it, clearly isn't.   


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« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2019, 06:01:29 PM »
So let’s analyse this.

First the estimate is for the Toilets,  and also the Pump House

The priority items cost £1700.  Not a huge sum.

The wish list beyond that is £6500 for improved pathway.  Whilst welcome, the Council is quite happy with poor surfaces elsewhere - Rollins Lane for example - so is this really necessary?   Even if it does need improving, it is probably within the ability of the Friends of Etherow Country Park with some little assistance from the Council, not the occasional opposition they get from the Council. So this could be discounted.

Next £5,800 for Roofing repairs and some timber work.  That is essential. So that and the remaining work comes to £6700.

Is that too much of a sum to be taken out of the Car Park charges that go to other, non Etherow Country Park projects?

People are paying to visit the Park. The money they pay should go to the Parks upkeep.

I have signed Malcolm’s petition, but it needs many more to sign.

http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/mgEPetitionDisplay.aspx?ID=104&RPID=16604320&HPID=16604320&$LO$=1

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« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2019, 07:40:52 AM »
Compstall Community Council has shared a couple of images of the council's estimate to repair the toilets:
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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2019, 07:53:01 PM »
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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2019, 04:55:32 PM »
So what do you intend to do about it
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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2019, 11:56:28 AM »
I suspect I mean local government in general, a combination of all of the above giving rise to en mass indecision, design by committee, a complete absence of pragmatism and political correctness gone mad.
So what do you intend to do about it

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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2019, 11:05:25 AM »
I've been working on this for a while. As well as being a Councillor, I am also a volunteer at Etherow. We were aware as soon as the toilets were closed and for months now I've been writing to and meeting council officers to get information on why. This is a very long story but to keep it short, we were told there was an expensive repair needed to a drainage pipe and this would cost in the region of £20k odd. I asked to see the quotation as it seemed very high. Meanwhile they found a quote for the alternative, which was demolition of the toilets at a cost of £27,000. Thanks to a Freedom of Information request we now know the cost of the drain repair is quoted at £5k, and the rest is all about other repairs and ongoing maintenance over 3 years. I believe most of this can be done buy us volunteers, hence saving the toilets and the tax payer soem cash! The petition is mine, and has my name on the bottom, and I told the council I was doing this when they were unable after a long period to get me the data we now have. Please sign the petition if you agree with us, and I will present it to full Council. Big thanks to Etherow Volunteers and Compstall Community Council who have been pushing on this issue through me and been a huge support and very active in getting out the petition.

There is now an electronic version of the petition to save the toilets at Etherow Park Weir:

http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/mgEPetitionDisplay.aspx?ID=104&RPID=16604320&HPID=16604320&$LO$=1
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« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2019, 09:17:30 PM »
I'm not sure who you mean by "Stockport Council " do you me elected members if so do you mean all 63 or just the controlling Labour Group or some other combination or do you mean officers or is "Stockport Council" some turn of phrase which we are meant to understand. So who do you mean when using the term "Stockport Council " ?
I suspect I mean local government in general, a combination of all of the above giving rise to en mass indecision, design by committee, a complete absence of pragmatism and political correctness gone mad.

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« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2019, 07:27:42 PM »
Great work Malcom!
Not only are Stockport council a bunch of tools, they're devious b*g**rs too and good at distorting the truth to perpetuate their own existence.

I'm not sure who you mean by "Stockport Council " do you me elected members if so do you mean all 63 or just the controlling Labour Group or some other combination or do you mean officers or is "Stockport Council" some turn of phrase which we are meant to understand. So who do you mean when using the term "Stockport Council " ?

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« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2019, 10:18:18 AM »
Oh and as the Tories look set to divert money away from urban councils to the (mostly blue) shires, expect things to get even worse.
So change Marple from a Liberal voting retirement village to something more like a (mostly blue) "Shire" instead of complaining about it. We'll never have a LibDem government so why perpetuate the myth that it works on a local level and suffer the consequences.

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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2019, 09:00:03 PM »
Just for the record, I didn’t use the term “ring fenced”. That is the term used by the Council. I askied why the money collected by the Car Park wasn’t used for the benefit of the park. That is not the same thing.

As a cyclist I know the Council spent thousands of pounds on creating a shared cycle and pedestrian track alongside Millgate that practically no cyclist wanted. Recently they have spent money on upgrading footpaths and bridleways in the Mellor Strines area, that relatively few people use, while at the same time refusing to upgrade Rollins Lane, Marple Bridge, that would allow pupils to cycle to school whose bus passes are being threatened.   Quote from the MEN  Proposal to axe some free school bus passes
Scores of school children may no longer be entitled to a free bus pass if plans to cut services go ahead.

The Council is totally unable to consider the effect their decisions will have without seeking alternative solutions. If we lose the toilets, the park becomes less attractive and eventually the money collected at the car park will diminish.   Some of that car park money should be designated for the park for essential maintenance, and any residue used for whatever hare brained schemes the Council next comes up with, which hopefully our Councillors will oppose most energetically.
As regular user of etherow park i agree with you all the way ihave heard today by a lady thats involed with freinds of the park that at the end of feb they are going to clear the mess i call it the swamp in front of the garden centre it has been put of three times dont no whos doing it the freinds or the councill .we shall see .you are aware its the toilets near the waterfall they want to close quite a few people who i have asked to signed the petition thats in the information part think its the cafe toilets . .But they could be next .keep complaining .