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Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
« Reply #103 on: July 12, 2018, 01:46:26 PM »
Personally I'd have liked a stronger response. Something along the lines of

" I'll die in a ditch before they close the pool, it is a significant asset to the local area and one that is used by all sections of the community and should be for years to come. The fact that they could consider closing it is wholly unacceptable. I'll resign if the officers /exec don't find the money as will my LD colleagues. A matter of weeks ago we campaigned on this platform and I'm a man of my word etc..."

See, if I saw a councillor say something like that, I'd be thinking of one Boris Johnson who declared to his constituents that he'd lie down in front of the bulldozers before he'd allow a third runway to be built at Heathrow.  And then was handily out of the country for pointless reasons when given the opportunity to vote on rejecting the third runway...  Or of Zack Goldsmith who resigned from the Conservatives to fight Heathrow's expansion, made a big thing about it, caused a by-election, lost it, then not long after, rejoined the Conservatives again.

Basically, beware of grand gestures made by politicians as quite often, they ain't worth the paper they're written on.

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« Reply #102 on: July 12, 2018, 12:23:50 PM »
So do we all but at a cost of around £10M I don't think it will happen, very interesting that there is no date given for when a decision will be made, no date when the Consultants report will be published, in fact no new dates for anything! Seeing that the pool is over 80 years old what plans did Life Leisure have in place prior to this for a replacement? They are following a well documented path on how Council's close swimming pools, just look at the number of old pools that Manchester have closed in the last 15 years.
If it does needs another location in Marple

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« Reply #101 on: July 12, 2018, 09:46:41 AM »
Hi Steve,

Personally I'd have liked a stronger response. Something along the lines of

" I'll die in a ditch before they close the pool, it is a significant asset to the local area and one that is used by all sections of the community and should be for years to come. The fact that they could consider closing it is wholly unacceptable. I'll resign if the officers /exec don't find the money as will my LD colleagues. A matter of weeks ago we campaigned on this platform and I'm a man of my word etc..."

On the list of issues i'd say that this is a bit higher that pointing at muddy verges and speed bumps.

I do have a couple of questions,

How much do you think the reduction in funding from central government since  2010 have impacted on the council's ability to maintain and renew important places like this.

Why when the LDs were in control of the council for the past couple of decades did you not do something about this?

The issue here isn't financial, its political. It's about th future of Marple and whether we will accept fewer facilities than all neighbouring towns. 


Good morning all

Apologies for not posting this when I received it, I was up on the moors with the fire related situation that is ongoing.

A line that Howard used is 100% correct, that the Council are going to work with Councillors to find the best solution. Personally I do not want to see our pool go, I would hate that to happen and I believe we (Councillors) are all thinking this way.

We will of course update whenever we can but please at this stage don't be overly pessimistic, what was published was being honest and with our agreement. Now starts the task of getting the best we can for where we live.

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Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
« Reply #100 on: July 12, 2018, 08:56:59 AM »
Good morning all

Apologies for not posting this when I received it, I was up on the moors with the fire related situation that is ongoing.

A line that Howard used is 100% correct, that the Council are going to work with Councillors to find the best solution. Personally I do not want to see our pool go, I would hate that to happen and I believe we (Councillors) are all thinking this way.

We will of course update whenever we can but please at this stage don't be overly pessimistic, what was published was being honest and with our agreement. Now starts the task of getting the best we can for where we live.

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Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
« Reply #99 on: July 12, 2018, 08:50:58 AM »
So do we all but at a cost of around £10M I don't think it will happen, very interesting that there is no date given for when a decision will be made, no date when the Consultants report will be published, in fact no new dates for anything! Seeing that the pool is over 80 years old what plans did Life Leisure have in place prior to this for a replacement?

Life Leisure are merely the operator.  They don't own the buildings - they just run them.  So they probably had no plans to replace because ultimately that's a council decision,

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« Reply #98 on: July 12, 2018, 08:43:54 AM »
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Good. I hope we get a decent facility appropriate for the size of the local population.

So do we all but at a cost of around £10M I don't think it will happen, very interesting that there is no date given for when a decision will be made, no date when the Consultants report will be published, in fact no new dates for anything! Seeing that the pool is over 80 years old what plans did Life Leisure have in place prior to this for a replacement? They are following a well documented path on how Council's close swimming pools, just look at the number of old pools that Manchester have closed in the last 15 years.

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« Reply #97 on: July 12, 2018, 08:11:25 AM »
The telling phrases from the statement are these:

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With this level of investment and the existing site constraints, it will not be possible to transform the building into a modern and fit for purpose centre which could widen the health and leisure options available to Marple residents. We know that the site is extremely well used and that there is demand for additional gym and swimming capacity in Marple.
It's too old and too expensive to keep the site going, even in it's current form.

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The Council is committed to providing quality swimming and fitness facilities for residents in Marple and is in discussion with local Councillors on the best way of achieving this. The Council wants to keep all options open at this stage and has not yet made any decision on the pool’s future. To aid discussions, the Council has commissioned a leisure expert to investigate options for a new facility which could replace the current pool and gym and possibly offer a wider range of leisure and community facilities. This work has commenced and will develop a series of options for consultation with local residents and user groups.
Good. I hope we get a decent facility appropriate for the size of the local population.
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« Reply #96 on: July 11, 2018, 09:43:12 PM »
I'd say it's rather neutral.  Nothing has changed in this statement.  They've been saying at least January for ages. 

What it does give is (finally) a public statement on the extent of the problems ("pool fabric and filtration systems, the shell of the building, and the mechanical and electrical systems") and basically states it needs a lot of money to bring it up to code - yet alone refurbish and redevelop it into a better facility.

Equally though, a new facility would cost money.  The question is how much it would cost to give a decent facility.  Keep in mind that in Denton, Tameside council are spending £14m on a new facility in Denton.  It's pretty big admittedly - a 17x8m "small" pool, an 8 lane 25m pool, gym, bowling alley, soft-play etc.  But building new isn't cheap.  Still, the benefits of spending more may well be deemed to be worth it.

Anyway, ultimately the statement changes nothing.  There's still three options:

1) close Marple completely
2) spend the money to repair Marple pool.
3) build a new Marple pool somewhere.

Our councillors will have to look at the options and make a call.
Spending that that money on it is just scatching the surface ,we need new but were and how mutch .there must be funding available from somewere .

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« Reply #95 on: July 11, 2018, 04:08:10 PM »
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Grand Central's viable for some Marple residents.  I know because I am now going there at least twice a week.  There's free parking in the NCP (if you validate your ticket) and there's five buses an hour that run from Marple and that stop right outside.  It's not ideal.  But I've done worse.  It's not as handy as Romiley but it's an option.

It really does depend on what time you travel, New Mills is quicker and easier to get to than any of the alternatives put forward by Life Leisure/SMBC and nobody has mentioned the impact the closure is having on the Swimming Club!

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« Reply #94 on: July 11, 2018, 04:04:20 PM »
As I feared, we now face months, if not years waiting for the report, then months waiting for a decision and then years waiting for funding. In the end everyone forgets that there ever was a pool and it's all kicked into the long grass and forgotten about. To say that Hazel Grove & Grand Central are viable alternatives for Marple residents just goes to show how in touch with Marple our Council is. Unfortunately I've seen it all happen before.

Grand Central's viable for some Marple residents.  I know because I am now going there at least twice a week.  There's free parking in the NCP (if you validate your ticket) and there's five buses an hour that run from Marple and that stop right outside.  It's not ideal.  But I've done worse.  It's not as handy as Romiley but it's an option.

Hazel Grove is nearer than Grand Central.  It's inbetween.  But ultimately it's only any use if you have a car.

And if you don't want it kicked into the long grass, well I suggest talking to your friendly local councillors.  I believe one of mine lives across the road from me...

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« Reply #93 on: July 11, 2018, 04:01:40 PM »
Statement from the Council today:

https://www.stockport.gov.uk/news/statement-on-marple-pool

Not looking good...

I'd say it's rather neutral.  Nothing has changed in this statement.  They've been saying at least January for ages. 

What it does give is (finally) a public statement on the extent of the problems ("pool fabric and filtration systems, the shell of the building, and the mechanical and electrical systems") and basically states it needs a lot of money to bring it up to code - yet alone refurbish and redevelop it into a better facility.

Equally though, a new facility would cost money.  The question is how much it would cost to give a decent facility.  Keep in mind that in Denton, Tameside council are spending £14m on a new facility in Denton.  It's pretty big admittedly - a 17x8m "small" pool, an 8 lane 25m pool, gym, bowling alley, soft-play etc.  But building new isn't cheap.  Still, the benefits of spending more may well be deemed to be worth it.

Anyway, ultimately the statement changes nothing.  There's still three options:

1) close Marple completely
2) spend the money to repair Marple pool.
3) build a new Marple pool somewhere.

Our councillors will have to look at the options and make a call. 

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« Reply #92 on: July 11, 2018, 03:58:08 PM »
As I feared, we now face months, if not years waiting for the report, then months waiting for a decision and then years waiting for funding. In the end everyone forgets that there ever was a pool and it's all kicked into the long grass and forgotten about. To say that Hazel Grove & Grand Central are viable alternatives for Marple residents just goes to show how in touch with Marple our Council is. Unfortunately I've seen it all happen before.

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« Reply #91 on: July 11, 2018, 03:21:57 PM »
Statement from the Council today:

https://www.stockport.gov.uk/news/statement-on-marple-pool

Not looking good...

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Re: Marple Swimming Pool currently closed
« Reply #90 on: July 09, 2018, 04:22:25 PM »
Good afternoon forum colleagues

As previously stated we (Councillors) met with Council officers at the swimming pool, personally I found it a very constructive meeting.

In order to try and keep information consistent an update is being prepared by Officers which has been sent to us for approval/suggestion. As soon as this is completed it will be released for public viewing. I am hoping this will be done in the next 2 days.

Thanks for reading this

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« Reply #89 on: July 03, 2018, 03:08:32 PM »
Thanks Amazon and DLL

I know I've said this before but this is our local pool too, there is no way I want to see it gone. This is the same for those who will be meeting on Thursday.

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