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Re: War Memorial and Carver Plaque rescued from Albert Schools
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2019, 07:26:50 AM »
Not sure about the "E & E Workwear, the company that has used the building for their business since the late 1950s" I was a Girl Guide in the 1960s and we were invited to a Boy Scouts "do" held upstairs at the Albert School in the mid '60s. It wasn't a factory then.

I've asked MLHS if they can verify the date/decade that the Albert Schools was sold to E&E Overalls.

In the meantime, another theory put forward by Edmund Wilkinson is developing that the plaques may have originally hung in the Union Rooms Mission Church (now the cinema) and were removed to the cupboard in the Albert Schools when the building was converted to the cinema in 1931 (I believe). This theory seems to have some credibility when you look at the details we know about the men listed but not sure that it can ever be proven:

John Brown 44828 enlisted Hyde, 27 years old when killed 29/4/17
Lived 104 Hilldrop Terrace, Stockport Rd
Worked at Hollins Mill
Attended Marple Wesleyan Sunday School (is that the Methodist Church now?)
Attended Marple Union Rooms Mission Church
Remembered on Marple Methodist Church plaque
Remembered on All Saints WM
Remembered on Marple WM

Joseph Burrell 24578 enlisted Hyde, 18 years old when killed 25/9/16
Lived Hollins Side, Stockport Rd
Worked at Hollins Mill
Attended Marple Unitarian Church and Sunday School (is that another name for what is now the URC?)
Remembered on Marple Reformed Church plaque
Remembered on All Saints WM
Remembered on Marple WM

Harold Cooke 44060 Enlisted Chester, 19 years old when killed 2/9/18
Lived 18 Hollins Terrace
Remembered on All Saints WM
Remembered on Marple WM

Marmaduke Cooper, 50238, 35 years old when killed 25/3/18
Though to have lived in Marple around 1909 when daughter Olive was born.
Worked as an "assistant superintendent - insurance"

Burt Morris, 50473, enlisted Stockport, 21 years old when killed 7/6/17
Lived "Canal Buildings"
Worked at Hollins Mill
Attended Union Rooms Sunday School
Remembered St. Martin's Church plaque
Remembered on All Saints WM
Remembered on Marple WM

Fred Pickford, 76896, enlisted Stockport, 22 years old when killed 25/10/18
Lived 46 Market Street
Attended Marple Recreation Club
Attended Marple Union Mission Church and Sunday School
Remembered on Carver Recreation Club Roll of Honour
Remembered on Marple Methodist Church plaque
Remembered on All Saints WM
Remembered on Marple WM

Note: Fred's brother Raymond (age 24 when killed 8/10/18) was a member of Marple Band, attended Albert Day School as a boy and All Saints' Sunday School.

Fred Thelwall, 34742, enlisted Hyde, 23 years old when killed 28/7/16
Lived 9 Chapel St
Worked at Hollins Mill
Attended Marple Congregational Church Sunday School
Remembered on Marple Reformed Church plaque
Remembered on All Saints WM
Remembered on Marple WM

Samuel Thelwall, 26454, enlisted Hyde, 20 years old when killed 25/10/17
Lived 29 St James Terrace, Hollins Lane
Remembered on Marple Reformed Church plaque
Remembered on All Saints WM
Remembered on Marple WM

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Re: War Memorial and Carver Plaque rescued from Albert Schools
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2019, 08:35:48 PM »
Sadly, the world is still full of philistines. Market Street is a case in point. One of the few things we can thank Hitler for is the reprieve for the Bulls Head terrace, built in the year of the battle of Trafalgar (1805), which had been condemned for slum clearance in the 1930s. Sadly, the philistines have made a horrendous mess of their cheap and nasty "modernisations" of many of the old Victorian shopfronts on Market Street.

And don't get me started on the iron and glass verandah on the row where "All Things Nice" is now! It was demolished because some idiot persuaded the council that it was dangerous. The foreman on the works told my father that the thing was so sound and strongly built that they thought at one stage of the works that they would cause serious damage to the buildings if they continued the demolition!
Its called Health safety as well

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Re: War Memorial and Carver Plaque rescued from Albert Schools
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2019, 06:14:10 PM »
Interesting stuff.  Seems strange they didn't take them with them when the church vacated the property.  But then our attitudes to conservation and history have changed over the years.  And I know that when the church I used to go to as a child closed recently, they left pretty much everything like that inside and locked the doors!
Sadly, the world is still full of philistines. Market Street is a case in point. One of the few things we can thank Hitler for is the reprieve for the Bulls Head terrace, built in the year of the battle of Trafalgar (1805), which had been condemned for slum clearance in the 1930s. Sadly, the philistines have made a horrendous mess of their cheap and nasty "modernisations" of many of the old Victorian shopfronts on Market Street.

And don't get me started on the iron and glass verandah on the row where "All Things Nice" is now! It was demolished because some idiot persuaded the council that it was dangerous. The foreman on the works told my father that the thing was so sound and strongly built that they thought at one stage of the works that they would cause serious damage to the buildings if they continued the demolition!

Don't look for the light at the end of the tunnel -  stomp along there and turn the bl**dy thing on yourself!

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Re: War Memorial and Carver Plaque rescued from Albert Schools
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2019, 06:04:12 PM »
Not sure about the "E & E Workwear, the company that has used the building for their business since the late 1950s" I was a Girl Guide in the 1960s and we were invited to a Boy Scouts "do" held upstairs at the Albert School in the mid '60s. It wasn't a factory then.


My source for that is the Marple Local History Society article here: https://www.marplelocalhistorysociety.org.uk/our-local-heritage/407-albert-schools-heritage.html
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Re: War Memorial and Carver Plaque rescued from Albert Schools
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2019, 05:40:03 PM »
Not sure about the "E & E Workwear, the company that has used the building for their business since the late 1950s" I was a Girl Guide in the 1960s and we were invited to a Boy Scouts "do" held upstairs at the Albert School in the mid '60s. It wasn't a factory then.
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Re: War Memorial and Carver Plaque rescued from Albert Schools
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2019, 05:00:30 PM »
Ooops missed the link.  Read it now.

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Re: War Memorial and Carver Plaque rescued from Albert Schools
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2019, 10:45:49 AM »
Interesting stuff.  Seems strange they didn't take them with them when the church vacated the property.  But then our attitudes to conservation and history have changed over the years.  And I know that when the church I used to go to as a child closed recently, they left pretty much everything like that inside and locked the doors!

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Re: War Memorial and Carver Plaque rescued from Albert Schools
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2019, 07:37:02 PM »
Mark, are these Marple people?  I don't recognise some of the names.  If they are Marple why weren't they recorded on the main memorial?

Hi @tigerman if you read the linked article fully you will find that seven of the eight men are on the war memorial in the park and there is an explanation about what we have learned regarding the chap who isn't, which is Marmaduke Cooper. All the others are on our war memorial and the time-line. Several of them also appear on All Saints, and on other local rolls of honour.

https://www.marple.website/community-projects/memorials-rescued-from-albert-schools-html.html
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Re: War Memorial and Carver Plaque rescued from Albert Schools
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2019, 07:01:20 PM »
Mark, are these Marple people?  I don't recognise some of the names.  If they are Marple why weren't they recorded on the main memorial?

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Re: War Memorial and Carver Plaque rescued from Albert Schools
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2019, 02:58:30 PM »
War Memorial and Carver Plaque rescued from Albert Schools

The Marple Website is pleased to have been able to rescue two historic plaques from the Albert Schools building due for demolition soon. These include a previously unrecorded WWI War Memorial and a lost plaque commemorating Thomas and Hannah Carver from 1911. Read more on the main site:

https://www.marple.website/community-projects/memorials-rescued-from-albert-schools-html.html




Is the floor near the cupboard tiled some of that should be saved even if its only a couple of foot square it could be mounted some were .

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War Memorial and Carver Plaque rescued from Albert Schools
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2019, 12:45:31 PM »
War Memorial and Carver Plaque rescued from Albert Schools

The Marple Website is pleased to have been able to rescue two historic plaques from the Albert Schools building due for demolition soon. These include a previously unrecorded WWI War Memorial and a lost plaque commemorating Thomas and Hannah Carver from 1911. Read more on the main site:

https://www.marple.website/community-projects/memorials-rescued-from-albert-schools-html.html






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