Stockport Pulls Off Another First

[Duke Fame]

We started with a female Bishop, I knocked it sideways to church help for those in debt. In came those who feel so inadequate they need to bash religion (think yourself bloody lucky that you live in Britain. You could be paying with 50 lashes a week in Saudi for anti-church comments) I said not one word about the state being involved in the in a church scheme forking out help from those who voluntarily donate.

How come a genuine offer of help from the C of E to a secular society which largely cares little about religious belief brings out so many protesters when they do not have to contribute a penny toward such a scheme, yet who at the same time, if they were suffering great need, would probably be offered help without the volunteers trying to stuff Bibles and prayer books or 'Have you been saved?' rather than 'Have you saved? Start Now' leaflets into you hand by by offering a possible escape from spiraling debt  when all others other than the pay-day loan companies would turn you away?

I agree with your right to have religion in your life and in a way I envy your ability to find something that gives you some much delight and solace. For me, it was Kevin Keegan from 1993-1997 but you have something you can put your trust in for eternity and for the bit after (should it exist). My complaint was Wheels' good lady's loan scheme from the council which very much is my money, around £35,000 of my money every year and I think it should go on core council services, not bailing out those who can't afford the huge tellybox they couldn't afford.

[marplerambler]

Yep, its not for the council to play banker or bail out stupid decisions. If people want to spend more than they have, let them. Pay day loans are fine if used from time to time. They look outrageous when you see the APR but if I borrowed £10 for a week from you and promised to buy you a beer on payback day, you'd be charging an Apr of 100k %

We started with a female Bishop, I knocked it sideways to church help for those in debt. In came those who feel so inadequate they need to bash religion (think yourself bloody lucky that you live in Britain. You could be paying with 50 lashes a week in Saudi for anti-church comments) I said not one word about the state being involved in the in a church scheme forking out help from those who voluntarily donate.

How come a genuine offer of help from the C of E to a secular society which largely cares little about religious belief brings out so many protesters when they do not have to contribute a penny toward such a scheme, yet who at the same time, if they were suffering great need, would probably be offered help without the volunteers trying to stuff Bibles and prayer books or 'Have you been saved?' rather than 'Have you saved? Start Now' leaflets into you hand by by offering a possible escape from spiraling debt  when all others other than the pay-day loan companies would turn you away?

[Duke Fame]

Well The Civic Review promotes the Council debt management service which helps keep people out of the clutches of Pay Day Loans and in turn keeps people out of debt. No doubt thats a waste of resources Duke ;-)

Yep, its not for the council to play banker or bail out stupid decisions. If people want to spend more than they have, let them. Pay day loans are fine if used from time to time. They look outrageous when you see the APR but if I borrowed £10 for a week from you and promised to buy you a beer on payback day, you'd be charging an Apr of 100k %

[wheels]

Yeah, that Mozart was such a crap composer and, as for Einstein, what did he know......glad to know that Mrs Thatcher is such an idol of yours, Wheels. Just a shame, for the "right on" amongst us, that all three of your female leaders are, to quote Greg Dyke, "hideously white". So ,uch for diversity and all that.

Oh dear I think we knew where that would come from.

[Bowden Guy]

Yeah, that Mozart was such a crap composer and, as for Einstein, what did he know......glad to know that Mrs Thatcher is such an idol of yours, Wheels. Just a shame, for the "right on" amongst us, that all three of your female leaders are, to quote Greg Dyke, "hideously white". So much for diversity and all that.

[wheels]

Have to agree Howard we are a secualr society and should proclaim that from the rooftops.

As for excluding half the population Stockport certainly is, a female Bishop, a female Council Leader (forgive me getting that in) and a likely female MP the men have had their turn time for them to take a back seat in my view having done such a dreadful job.

[Howard]

I have no time whatsoever for any kind of religion which, in my opinion, holds the human race back from advancement. However, it's good to see that FINALLY they can stop excluding half the world's population from participating in managing their organisation.

[wheels]

Congratulations to Ms Lamb, not just for becoming a bishop, but also for making some of us aware that Stockport has a bishop! (Who knew?) 

Of course the Church's Stockport is nothing like the Local Authority of Stockport in terms of where it covers

[wheels]

The best way to avoid Payday loans is to not fill in the application form and then, should they offer a loan, then refust the offer. there is no gun to head here.

The fact the Op's news is news shows just how out of touch the church is.

Well The Civic Review promotes the Council debt management service which helps keep people out of the clutches of Pay Day Loans and in turn keeps people out of debt. No doubt thats a waste of resources Duke ;-)

[marplerambler]

A few months ago I read a very entertaining list (on a Catholic website) of reasons why women rather than men should be priests (or bishops!). I cannot find the original but this list seems to appropriate:-

10. A man’s place is in the army.

9. The pastoral duties of men who have children might distract them from the responsibility of being a parent.

8. The physique of men indicates that they are more suited to such tasks as chopping down trees and wrestling mountain lions. It would be “unnatural” for them to do ministerial tasks.

7. Man was created before woman, obviously as a prototype. Thus, they represent an experiment rather than the crowning achievement of creation.

6. Men are too emotional to be priests or pastors. Their conduct at football and basketball games demonstrates this.

5. Some men are handsome, and this will distract women worshipers.

4. Pastors need to nurture their congregations. But this is not a traditional male role. Throughout history, women have been recognized as not only more skilled than men at nurturing, but also more fervently attracted to it. This makes them the obvious choice for ordination.

3. Men are prone to violence. No really masculine man wants to settle disputes except by fighting about them. Thus they would be poor role models as well as dangerously unstable in positions of leadership.

2. The New Testament tells us that Jesus was betrayed by a man. His lack of faith and ensuing punishment remind us of the subordinated position that all men should take.

1. Men can still be involved in church activities, even without being ordained. They can sweep sidewalks, repair the church roof, and perhaps even lead the song service on Father’s Day. By confining themselves to such traditional male roles, they can still be vitally important in the life of the church.

[Harry]

Could be a hostile takeover bid?

Haha! I think they'd struggle trying to persuade us to give up drinking and bacon sandwiches.

And the other way around has been tried and failed.

[marplerambler]

A Catholic Imam?

Why not a Catholic Iwoman. Heavens knows? On the sixth day just before finishing a hard week’s work, He had a brief rest and looked down upon the work in progress, The Big Boss had serious second thoughts about the creation of man, decided that there may some inherent design problems (and also thought that man may have been just a bit lonely sitting there all alone) when he remembered that there was there was a Dyson gene within the man and hit upon the concept that there the perhaps the prototype might not have His best effort and that He could come up with a superior version. Rather than starting from scratch and totally messing up the complex molecular structure, removed the Duke rib and created a much superior and more attractive female horse-riding Henrietta version and placed the two of them in Eden to live forever in harmony. It was only when the naughty girl fancied a bite of the apple that the two of them saw each other as they truly were, ran to hide from each other and have been fighting ever since.

As for a female Catholic priest who knows? It was the women He spoke to first after rolling the stone from the tomb. Sounds like the women won that race! The new Pope has already given us quite a few surprises, the red shoes and fancy new papal garments were decreed to be a waste of money, the new Boss travelled back from his election in the mini-bus leaving the chauffeur of the Popemobile totally perplexed. The vast Papal apartments were shunned for more humble accommodation. I know that it is not the complete quote but the ‘Who am I to judge?’ seems to indicate a changing attitude to gay people. The Anglican Clergy have married and ministered to their parishioners successfully for a long time. The new Pope may well decide that this is the way forward for the Catholic Church (especially in the light of the present recruitment crisis) and drag its feet into the twenty-first century.

As for women Catholic priests? It will eventually come but not perhaps within my lifetime.

[Bowden Guy]

Could be a hostile takeover bid?

[Harry]

A Catholic Imam?

[Bowden Guy]

I was alluding more to the Catholic version.......