Speed trap on hempshaw lane

[Duke Fame]

As I've pointed out before, the more money councils can raise from motoring offences the less they have to take from taxpayers.  In fact, I agree with Duke that
In other words, careless motorists pay so that workers can keep more of their money.  Seems entirely reasonable to me!   

Dave, I agree with enforcing the law, I do not agree with entrapment.

[Dave]

it's a sting to raise cash rather than for safety....... It's set to create confusion and getting the money flowing into the Socialist local authority from the capitalist car driver.

As I've pointed out before, the more money councils can raise from motoring offences the less they have to take from taxpayers.  In fact, I agree with Duke that

the treasury should allow the workers to keep as much money in their pockets.

In other words, careless motorists pay so that workers can keep more of their money.  Seems entirely reasonable to me!   

[Duke Fame]

Let me explain.  Duke is a libertarian Tory.  They believe in 'small government', and that the state should never interfere in the lives of citizens unless that is absolutely necessary and unavoidable.  They tend to regard speed limits as an example of such unwanted intervention. 

However, that's relatively harmless stuff.  Libertarian conservatism is more widespread in the USA, I think, manifesting itself in the notorious belief in 'the right to bear arms'.  And look where that has got them! 

Huge leap there Dave. Yes you are right I am a libertarian, not necessarily a Tory, more someone who was frustrated with Labour in government and very suspicious of their re-writing of history and promises.

As for having a problem with speed limits, I certainly do not have a problem there. The point of posting on here was simply being neighborly and saying the speed trap returned last week so keep within the limits.

I don't mind checking speeds but in some cases (not all) they do so in a place where vehicles naturally need to have a bit more momentum to get up a hill and in those cases it's a sting to raise ash rather than for safety.

A good example of a sting is the approach to Parrs wood from the Heatons. There is a bus lane that is under Stockpoprt Council and it's peak hours only so cars can use the lane after 10 a.m. The lane ends before the border to Manchester and re-starts on the Manchester side but with different hours so cars cannot enter the lane at all. The bus route only has 2 buses an hour yet Manchester council have a camera fixed on the point where the times change. It's set to create confusion and getting the money flowing into the Socialist local authority from the capitalist car driver

[Dave]

I don't understand why you have a problem.

Let me explain.  Duke is a libertarian Tory.  They believe in 'small government', and that the state should never interfere in the lives of citizens unless that is absolutely necessary and unavoidable.  They tend to regard speed limits as an example of such unwanted intervention. 

However, that's relatively harmless stuff.  Libertarian conservatism is more widespread in the USA, I think, manifesting itself in the notorious belief in 'the right to bear arms'.  And look where that has got them! 

[My login is Henrietta]

Speeding motorists are one thing, it's their own fault but setting up a sting where it is very difficult to drive efficiently AND keep below the limit is just not on.

As for the accident a couple of weeks ago, i can't belive that was down to speeding, it happened at a time where traffic does well to move at all.

It isn't a "sting". It's in a place where the speed limit is 30mph. The speed limit is law of the land. You exceed the speed limit and you are breaking the law. If caught you pay the price. End of story. Grow up, pay up and smile and decide to be more careful next time.

I don't understand why you have a problem.

(And yes, I have been done for speeding. I knew what the speed limit was. I wasn't concentrating. My fault and I paid up without whingeing. And I AM more careful now.)

[tigerman]

Love it how road safety can be turned into a debate about tax. Speed kills. End of.
Incidentally, an excellent article about the value of taxation and how we should regard it as " the support we owe each other- a tick in the box for the common good" in today's Guardian. Not a publication certain contributors to this thread would be likely to purchase though.

[Duke Fame]

It's back, kill your speed and all that

[Duke Fame]

Ah sense at last BG

Lordy, you really think that? Why would anyone strive to achieve anything?

[Duke Fame]

Well actually I usually cycle along the A6 and then Nangreave Rd avoids the climb and the A6 feels safer than Hempshaw Lane.

Wow! I hate the A6 when on the bike, I get off it at the old train line which isn;t ideal on my road bike but better than getting mowed down.

[wheels]

Well, if high taxation is a mark of a "great society' then the logical conclusion is that the State should take all of our income and then we'll all be incredibly happy.

Ah sense at last BG

[wheels]

I'm not agreeing with you, just pointing out that Denmark illustrates many of the signs of a prosperous high-tax economy.

Yes and I was thanking you for making the point clearer. Where did I suggest you were agreeing? That might have made me feel I was actually wrong.

[wheels]

Slow down you cyclists .

Well actually I usually cycle along the A6 and then Nangreave Rd avoids the climb and the A6 feels safer than Hempshaw Lane.

[Bowden Guy]

Well, if high taxation is a mark of a "great society' then the logical conclusion is that the State should take all of our income and then we'll all be incredibly happy.

[Howard]

Thank you Howard*

I'm not agreeing with you, just pointing out that Denmark illustrates many of the signs of a prosperous high-tax economy.

[corium]

As for the accident a couple of weeks ago, i can't belive that was down to speeding, it happened at a time where traffic does well to move at all.

I said speed was a factor, this is not quite the same as speeding. Judging by the damage to the front of one vehicle, even allowing for modern crumple zones,  speed obviously played a part