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« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2012, 04:11:25 PM »

I don't know where Henrietta used to live, but many years ago I lived in Cheadle Hulme.  Since then, Waitrose has arrived in Cheadle Hulme, and this seems to have done no harm at all to the local shops.  On the contrary, many are thriving, and the excellent local butchers Pimlotts report that 'The coming of Waitrose to the centre of the village has helped keep us busy, because local people tend to shop locally.’  See http://cheshire.greatbritishlife.co.uk/article/a-choice-location--we-visit-cheadle-and-cheadle-hulme-39666/
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« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2012, 05:08:20 PM »

Its not just the Co-op the independents on Marple serve the town poorly. Shutting early, closing on Wednesdays and the customer service in some of them is dreadful.
Goodness me! How unreasonable of the local shop-keepers to close on Wednesdays and not to stay open until midnight.

I assume you only work(ed) a five day week and are/were allowed to go home at 5pm.

As a child of the 50s and 60s when my parents worked hard in their shops I think I can speak knowledgeably in support of "small" shop-keepers. Half day (and even all-day closing) on Wednesday or any other day isn't just an excuse for lolling in the garden or watching Jeremy Kyle. Most shop-keepers use it for business purposes - stock replenishment, visiting the suppliers, doing the books, cleaning the premises, etc. And even (now this is really unreasonable) some of them actually spend a little time with their children and attend to their needs on their day "off".

The Working Time Directive is a pipe dream to the average one-man retail business.




Well i lived through the 50s as well and lets not pretend it was some golden age. It was a miserable dire period better forgotten. Times have changed if local traders want my cash they have to compete with Sainsburys etc. End of stoory if they cant they go.
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« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2012, 11:04:53 AM »

I don't remember the 50's. Apparently it was a grim time; ration books, smog, no proper heating, pubs shut more than they were open, drab clothes, damp houses with musty wallpaper, capital punishment, outside toilets, Winston Churchill long past his best and rubbish music. A time when you considered yourself fortunate to even have a dad as there was a good chance that he'd been killed in the war. Shop-keepers on every corner charging high prices and opening and closing when they wanted to. That was a major reason for the advent of the supermarket, poor levels of local service in the 50's and 60's. 

I don't know what Henrietta is buying from the co-op to see her bill go down. Every time I go in it which is not often, I'm actually shocked at the sky -high prices. I vow not to go again but of course I always do.

If local businesses (which I try to use ) can't cater for local customers then local customers will go elsewhere. It doesn't matter what the shop-keepers are doing on Wednesday afternoon, that's none of my business. if they want to watch Jeremy Kyle or play with their kids, then that's entirely up to them. What is my business is that they're not open when I want to buy something that they sell - so I'll get it somewhere else.

A supermarket, the right one in the right location, not a great big, clinking, clanking Asda on Hibbert Lane would bring competition for the co-op and the local buys and there is no doubt whatsoever that one will be coming to Marple in the near future. So just accept it.

In my view this will not be the death knell for local businesses in fact it could even bring additional foot-fall into the town and extra revenues for local business...but if you close on a Wednesday afternoon.... then perhaps you should relocate... back to the 50's.     
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« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2012, 12:43:48 PM »

All very well put Simon. Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2012, 03:46:31 PM »

As I said - Be careful what you wish for
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« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2012, 04:02:48 PM »

As I said - Be careful what you wish for
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Please tell us what is cheaper at the coop than say Morrisons       Today

morrisons Kellogg corn flakes 759g £1.34 coop £2.70 toilet rolls from tomorow on offer at morrisons .walkers crisps also from tomorow .
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« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2012, 05:19:17 PM »

Actually, Wheels and Simon, the 1950s were far from grim. Rationing had ended by the very early '50s (the last product came off "the ration" in 1954), there was more, and more interesting, food available - it was the beginning of a general interest in Italian, Chinese and Indian food and I tasted my first kiwi fruit (called Chinese gooseberries back then) and my first avocado in the late 1950s, courtesy of Peter Mason, the very forward thinking greengrocer on Hollins lane. Colourful and fashionable clothing was available for women and children and men could afford a decent suit from the "multiple" tailors. The general standard of housing all over the country was greatly improved over that of the pre-war period (largely due to the activities of Mr Hitler) and council housing was available for those who needed it.

The NHS was up and running and there was no need for a "post code lottery" when it came to medical treatment. Free glasses and dentistry were available. Antibiotics meant women no longer died in childbirth except on rare occasions and pneumonia, scarlet fever, diphtheria and similar ilnesses were no longer the scourge they had been pre-war due to improved treatments, drugs and vaccination. Operations were safer and techniques had improved, partly thanks to advances made made in treating wounds during the war. And no-one died because they couldn't afford the Doctor or hospital treatment.

Primary and secondary education was free to all according to his or her abilities and even university education was a posibility for "the masses" (assuming they were bright enough) with grants available for the less well off, thanks to the 1944 Education Act. Free school milk with free school dinners for those who needed them also contributed to better health in poorer children.

People were being moved out of big city slums into bright new houses in bright new towns and on out of town estates. Most houses had electricity by the 1950s. It only came to Marple in about 1936 and the war had stopped it's spread but it had become the norm by the '50s although there were still a few older cottages still lit by gas. HP was more widely available and consumer items - 'fridges, washing machines and even motor cars - were becoming reasonable expectations for most people.  Vacuum cleaners, modern detergents, the availability of cheap hot water, all lead to cleaner, healthier homes and people. These domestic improvements made it possible for more women to go out to work thus improving family incomes and because girls were getting a better education they weren't limited to jobs in the two mills in Marple or in shops or service and they could aspire to a better life than their mothers and grandmothers had had. The 50s were also the beginning of the teenager culture and a whole new music, radio, television, fashion, etc., "life style" was growing up round them.
 
In the 1950s Marple reflected these general improvements and was a bright prosperous little town. There was a thriving commercial life and residents could buy anything from a pair of shoes and a pound of butter to a car and a television set without setting foot out of what was still called "the village". There was a cinema, a theatre (The Carver), a library, a labour exchange, the council offices where you could actually speak to the official you needed, the park, the recreation ground, 5 ladies hairdressers and two barbers, two ladies dress shops, a gentlemen's outfitters and a tailor, 3 children's wear shops, shops selling household linens, wool, dress and furnishing fabrics, 4 butchers, a cafe and a "posh" restaurant, 3 radio and television shops, several grocers and greengrocers, two shoe shops and a cobblers in case you needed your shoes repaired (yes, we did that in those days, we were odd like that), a hardware/ironmongers shop, a dry cleaners, 2 banks, a building society  and a post office, several packs of Brownies and Cubs, and companies of Guides and Scouts, the Lads and Girls Brigades, Church youth clubs and Sunday Schools, a well-respected (then) secondary modern school and at the end of the 1950s the planning and building of a grammar school and a clinic catering to the health of babies, children and expectant mothers. Not bad going for the "grim Fifties"

Television may have been black and white with shades of grey but life certainly wasn't.
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« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2012, 05:42:32 PM »

As I said - Be careful what you wish for
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Please tell us what is cheaper at the coop than say Morrisons       Today

morrisons Kellogg corn flakes 759g £1.34 coop £2.70 toilet rolls from tomorow on offer at morrisons .walkers crisps also from tomorow .
I didn't say that individual items were cheaper in the Co-op. What I actually said - if you had bothered to read it properly - was that I was tempted to buy less in the Co-op than on visits to other supermarkets - largely due to the absence of "special offers" (which aren't really special at all) in the Co-op. I go to the Co-op with a list and stick to it rather than wandering round thinking "Ooh, look at that - I might need that if I have visitors/at Christmas/if I do a cake stall at the charity show". "It" being something which emerges from the back of the cupboard years later when the use-by date is lost in the mists of time.

Anyway, The Co-op has a better ethical footprint than (particularly) Tesco which is important to me. Each to his or her own.
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« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2012, 06:18:38 PM »

You do indeed make the 50s sound dreadful.

I remember it as a time when people called their neighbours who they might have known for years Mr and Mrs. No one had first names in the 50s it was a time when you were expected to give automatic respect just because someone was old or because you were young.

Old in those days was 50/60 as we all died so young due to working conditions and poor housing.

There was a dead hand across society a do as your told attitude"they" know best.

Free thinking and individuality was stifled. No one challenged anything until the 60 when at last we began to sweep away these attitudes.Women started to take their rightful place in the workforce become economically productive. Indeed the idea of a woman having a pension in the 50s was unheard of.

People had annual holidays by the seaside no one traveled the world as we do now.

No cars had radios, TV closed down at 10pm and we were all told to go to bed. The incident of smoking was massive and people smokedeverywhere.

And as for creature conforts no central heating, I recall in winter the ice would be as think on the inside of a bedroom window as outside. No showers, people had weekly baths what a dirty lot we were.

Thank goodness the 60s and I was please to be part of it began to sweep all that away this unquestioning respect. People started to freely have sex without being made to feel guilty.

Role on 2020 I say tomorrow is always better.

Oh and there was no internet for us to know what was going on and for people to peddle this nostalgic rubbish
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« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2012, 07:55:59 AM »

 Jeez Henrietta,


You make the 50'S sound even worse than Wheels and I did !  Whatever you do, don't go into advertising or practice being a defence barrister. They will almost certainly re-introduce hanging for your client. Come to think of it they had that in the 50's. Oh well that's another "good thing" to remind everybody of in that golden age.

 Chinese gooseberries...free glasses, scarlet fever,diptheria, oh and safe operations - tremendous, council estates - fantastic, electricity, jobs in't Mill and you could even buy a pound of butter. Eutopian age.
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« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2012, 08:17:28 AM »

Oh and Simon don't be gay in the 50s driven in to the closet. No civil partnerships then never mind marriage. Oh the 50 were so good for so many people.

My personal favourite was the child abuse that went on sending boy to school in short during the winter, oh I loved those chapped legs. But it was all worthwhile for the wonderful 50s
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« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2012, 10:19:18 AM »

The Co-op does have it's advantages. Since coming back to live in Marple I've been using the Co-op and my weekly bills have dropped considerably. There is far less temptation to buy things I might need at some time in the future

I didn't say that individual items were cheaper in the Co-op. What I actually said - if you had bothered to read it properly - was that I was tempted to buy less in the Co-op than on visits to other supermarkets - largely due to the absence of "special offers"

You have to admire this ingenious effort to make our under-stocked and over-priced supermarket seem like a good thing!  It's like saying 'I'm pleased that the bus service is getting worse and the fares are going up, because now I'll save money because I won't be tempted to go anywhere'.   Grin
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« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2012, 12:50:25 PM »

We do need another supermarket in Marple. The co-op has a monopoly and their prices are very high, their variety has none, and their sell by dates are narrow.

In my view a medium sized to small supermarket on Chadwick street would benefit the community of Marple it might bring some extra vehicular traffic but perhaps that would be the price to pay.

As well as this some of our local traders need to up their game. Some of their service is poor and some of their opening times are restrictive. Closing half-day on Wednesday is outdated practice and only drives their customers into the arms of Sainsbury's and Morrisons.
The Co-op does have it's advantages. Since coming back to live in Marple I've been using the Co-op and my weekly bills have dropped considerably. There is far less temptation to buy things I might need at some time in the future and I don't waste the petrol that I did when I used to make detours to Ad-tes-bury's supermarkets.

Where I used to live there were no longer any independent bakers, delis, flower shop, cafes, sweet shops, newsagents, or greengrocers because they'd been driven out by the "big boys". Even the hairdressers, dress shops, hardware shops and jewellers were disappearing and the historical market was on its last legs because hardly anyone came into the town centre to shop anymore.

Be careful what you wish for.

Still want to know what you can find cheaper in the coop .
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« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2012, 11:55:58 PM »

Amazon, I will try to keep this simple. I-DID-NOT-SAY-THAT-INDIVIDUAL-ITEMS-WERE-CHEAPER-I-SAID-THAT-I-SPEND-LESS-MONEY.

What don't you understand about that?
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« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2012, 12:02:50 AM »

I don't know where Henrietta used to live, but many years ago I lived in Cheadle Hulme.  Since then, Waitrose has arrived in Cheadle Hulme, and this seems to have done no harm at all to the local shops.  On the contrary, many are thriving, and the excellent local butchers Pimlotts report that 'The coming of Waitrose to the centre of the village has helped keep us busy, because local people tend to shop locally.’  See http://cheshire.greatbritishlife.co.uk/article/a-choice-location--we-visit-cheadle-and-cheadle-hulme-39666/

Hyde, actually. Morrisons and Asda have killed small shops and even the food market there
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