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« Reply #120 on: April 19, 2012, 09:34:45 PM »

The vast majority of Lib Dem MPs signed a pledge, before the 2010 election, that they would not personally vote for an increase in HE tuition fees. They adopted this "posture" because they did not ever believe they would be in a position of power. NONE of that particular group of people can ever be trusted again.
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« Reply #121 on: April 19, 2012, 10:28:26 PM »

The vast majority of Lib Dem MPs signed a pledge, before the 2010 election, that they would not personally vote for an increase in HE tuition fees. They adopted this "posture" because they did not ever believe they would be in a position of power. NONE of that particular group of people can ever be trusted again.
Trusting politicians? That's a new one. But you get pilloried for having your arm put up your back in a new coalition, whereas the other main parties who would have voted for the increases anyway, laugh all the way to re-election.

The moral being, you can screw the economy or give tax breaks to the rich and your time in government will soon come. But be dragged into a policy you clearly don't agree with but have to swallow to keep things on track and you are apparently unelectable ever again! British politics is incredible!
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« Reply #122 on: April 19, 2012, 10:28:44 PM »

The vast majority of Lib Dem MPs signed a pledge, before the 2010 election, that they would not personally vote for an increase in HE tuition fees. They adopted this "posture" because they did not ever believe they would be in a position of power. NONE of that particular group of people can ever be trusted again.

Not withstanding the fact that the new fee structure is far fairer than before?

I take it you'll never vote for Labour because after their 2001 election lie? Do you recall who commissioned the Browne report? So you are voting tory then?
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« Reply #123 on: April 19, 2012, 10:40:01 PM »

Marple leaf... I agree.. we should stand by our guns and vote for our beliefs and it is sad that not many people in Marple seem to do that! I've had many conversations over the years where people have voted liberal d because "better the devil you know"!  this fills me with horror.. especially when more conversation makes me realise they re really Labour supporters!  Got to congratulate the Liberals at least for having such a big effect there!! A labour vote is wasted here...

For many years now I've voted Green, not necessarily because I'm overly Green, but because they have no real interest in getting into parliament because IF they ever do it ll be a long time coming. As a result their candidates are never career politicians, just people who care and want to do a good job and the few Green councillors that there are across the country are very good and very popular with their communities. 

However.. I really want change in Marple.  Stockport council will I think remain Liberal at least this time.  The vote right here isn't going to have a big impact nationally however the negativity and betrayal that people feel towards the liberal s nationally I hope WILL have an impact.  I think this is one time I may well vote with my head and not my heart just simply because I want something to change right here and i want fresh blood, and this is the best opportunity we've had.... but for who?  The last numbers do suggest I should vote Tory, but this is a different time and place and many may place a protest vote against the Tories too.   

I don't understand the Lisa, surely vote for whom you agree with. Even if you haven't fully understood the issues and end up voting thicko labour, at least it means voting for someone you want to win.

Personally, on a national basis I pretty much support the coalition given the circumstances but locally I want someone who'll address the waste on the council and reduce taxation. The good news for everyone, I feel like standing next time and I'm dead popular too.
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« Reply #124 on: April 19, 2012, 10:59:24 PM »

Marple leaf... I agree.. we should stand by our guns and vote for our beliefs and it is sad that not many people in Marple seem to do that! I've had many conversations over the years where people have voted liberal d because "better the devil you know"!  this fills me with horror.. especially when more conversation makes me realise they re really Labour supporters!  Got to congratulate the Liberals at least for having such a big effect there!! A labour vote is wasted here...

For many years now I've voted Green, not necessarily because I'm overly Green, but because they have no real interest in getting into parliament because IF they ever do it ll be a long time coming. As a result their candidates are never career politicians, just people who care and want to do a good job and the few Green councillors that there are across the country are very good and very popular with their communities. 

However.. I really want change in Marple.  Stockport council will I think remain Liberal at least this time.  The vote right here isn't going to have a big impact nationally however the negativity and betrayal that people feel towards the liberal s nationally I hope WILL have an impact.  I think this is one time I may well vote with my head and not my heart just simply because I want something to change right here and i want fresh blood, and this is the best opportunity we've had.... but for who?  The last numbers do suggest I should vote Tory, but this is a different time and place and many may place a protest vote against the Tories too.   

I don't understand the Lisa, surely vote for whom you agree with. Even if you haven't fully understood the issues and end up voting thicko labour, at least it means voting for someone you want to win.

Personally, on a national basis I pretty much support the coalition given the circumstances but locally I want someone who'll address the waste on the council and reduce taxation.
The good news for everyone, I feel like standing next time and I'm dead popular too.

If you want want someone who'll address the waste on the council and reduce taxation,
I believe myself and the Conservatives are the best choice, here are just a few reasons:

1. In 2010, we were the only party that pledged to freeze council tax, and we have done so for the past two years.
3. Your council tax is likely to be less under a Conservative council (such as Trafford) then a Labour or Lib Dem council.
6. Conservatives also pledged to show you how councils spend your money by making them open up their books.
4. Councils will now have to vote on big pay packets, consequently Chief Executives are paid less then their predecessors'.
5. The government is devolving power to local councils, giving councils more power and therefore making them more accountable.
6. As I run a company I am always looking to make it run more efficiently, and I will work to do the same with the council.
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« Reply #125 on: April 20, 2012, 12:11:42 AM »

Simon - that's the problem you have only given the result a "cursory glance" - I measured that bar chart - it exaggerates the Tory vote and reduces Labour and ignored UKIP. Therefore it is "spurious and unsourced" - the whole tactic of asking to vote because you're not the other lot is cynical and to to misrepresent the chances is a "lie".
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« Reply #126 on: April 20, 2012, 12:14:35 AM »

Another thing - the LD leaflet has this laughable claim that Shan Alexander reduced council tax. It even quotes "Joan" as thanking her.

This is utter nonsense.

The government froze council tax. The local councillors had nothing to do with it.
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« Reply #127 on: April 20, 2012, 09:47:23 AM »

The government is devolving power to local councils, giving councils more power and therefore making them more accountable.

Well I could have sworn this government was hell-bent on getting as many schools out of local authority control as possible, seizing central control of them through its academies and free schools programme.  Must be a figment of my imagination.....   Wink
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« Reply #128 on: April 20, 2012, 11:14:37 AM »

In my opinion(and I may be wrong), thanks to the intervention of the Tories, UKIP, Labour and independents the vote will be split so as to oust the Lib Dems Out.

So if you really want to see the likes of Messrs Candler and Alexandra back and influencing the administration of Marple, you had all better make sure that you do go out and vote.

I have no time for folk and who complain about councillors and who "don't vote for any of that lot" you've got a vote USE IT
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« Reply #129 on: April 20, 2012, 01:51:14 PM »

The government is devolving power to local councils, giving councils more power and therefore making them more accountable.

Well I could have sworn this government was hell-bent on getting as many schools out of local authority control as possible, seizing central control of them through its academies and free schools programme.  Must be a figment of my imagination.....   Wink

Dave, if you can get the power doen to the schools and out of council meddling, I'll vote for you
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« Reply #130 on: April 20, 2012, 03:31:31 PM »

The government is devolving power to local councils, giving councils more power and therefore making them more accountable.

Well I could have sworn this government was hell-bent on getting as many schools out of local authority control as possible, seizing central control of them through its academies and free schools programme.  Must be a figment of my imagination.....   Wink

That's no 100% true, just because academies are not under local authority control, doesn't mean they are then under
central government control. In fact the opposite is true, they have more freedom over what they teach and their budget.
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« Reply #131 on: April 20, 2012, 03:32:46 PM »

Marpleleaf,

With respect, don't you think that your "disenchantment" with Councillor Shan is clouding your political judgement a little bit.

This is an election wherein we expect electioneering. Nobody completely trusts any politicion/ aspiring politician anyway. If you are going to start measuring bar charts, (what did you actually measure it with?) well don't you think that you're being a bit pedantic. Maybe we should all should loosen up a little. Perhaps put down a marker for Duke next year when he stands although I do suspect that he is a fully baptized LibDem.   
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« Reply #132 on: April 20, 2012, 03:52:29 PM »

Hello,

I know Gtr Manchester fairly well, I know Stockport very well and I know Marple even better.

If you have chosen to live in this "county" and I have, then there is no better place than Marple. However, many of you say that you want change. Lisa..." I really want change in Marple"... why is that? Shouldn't we be trying to preserve the status quo that we so enjoy living in?

I'm not advocating voting LibDem or not, in fact at this moment I am undecided myself but that is to do with Candidates not parties and as I have previously said I will vote for the Candidate. But as the LibDems have held the Marple Seat since 1992, doesn't that mean that they represent the status quo?               
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« Reply #133 on: April 20, 2012, 04:00:39 PM »

Perhaps put down a marker for Duke next year when he stands although I do suspect that he is a fully baptized LibDem.   

I only know Duke through the forum & Twitter but I'm pretty sure that he's not a LibDem. I would say he's more in the vein of Classic Liberalism which generally stands for rule of law, limited government, due process, and the liberty of individuals including freedom of speech, religion, press, and free markets. This is distinct from Social Liberalism which is more like today's LibDems.
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« Reply #134 on: April 20, 2012, 04:12:49 PM »

As I keep saying I will vote for the Candidate, the party will be secondary. This of course is not an easy separation to make.

The succesful Candidate will be Shan or Carl both by a mile from third placed who will probably be Labour. If my recall is correct we have never had A Labour Councillor in Marple,ever! We have never had anywhere near a Labour Councillor in Marple and it will probably be a long time until we do. What do I do though if I think that the Labour Candidate is the best Candidate - waste my vote to follow my "integrity"?

There is an old saying in politics...The best Candidate is the best Campaigner, so who actually is that? In addition to which we are almost two full weeks away from the election and ..."almost two full weeks is long time in politics". Apologies to Mr Wilson if it was indeed he who first said it.                 
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