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« Reply #30 on: April 09, 2012, 12:04:13 AM »

Miss Marple does intend to contact Ms Alexander especially now she has seen her election address.  For the record Steptoe !   I invited Ms Alexander to  the first ever MIA meeting held at the Crown In July 2011 at that time I was not aware that she knew anything about the supermarket,  I was to find that out months later.  Ms Alexander sat throughout  that  meeting and blatantly denied any knowledge of a supermarket so can you really blame me for feeling aggrieved ?  And to think that she now has the audacity to use the campaign against a supermarket for her own election address makes my blood boil ! 
MIA was started round my kitchen table with 10 concerned residents printing and folding  3,000 leaflets of my printer and then hand delivering them up till 12-30 am in the morning.  MIA have worked hard and have spent hours researching what Ms Alexander already knew!  So yes I am well and truly miffed off and I WILL be asking her how she has the cheek to say she has done anything against the supermarket indeed I intend to go one better and campaign against her !  How can we ever trust her again it's beyond me !
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« Reply #31 on: April 09, 2012, 07:41:24 AM »

Miss Marple does intend to contact Ms Alexander especially now she has seen her election address.  For the record Steptoe !   I invited Ms Alexander to  the first ever MIA meeting held at the Crown In July 2011 at that time I was not aware that she knew anything about the supermarket,  I was to find that out months later.  Ms Alexander sat throughout  that  meeting and blatantly denied any knowledge of a supermarket so can you really blame me for feeling aggrieved ?  And to think that she now has the audacity to use the campaign against a supermarket for her own election address makes my blood boil ! 
MIA was started round my kitchen table with 10 concerned residents printing and folding  3,000 leaflets of my printer and then hand delivering them up till 12-30 am in the morning.  MIA have worked hard and have spent hours researching what Ms Alexander already knew!  So yes I am well and truly miffed off and I WILL be asking her how she has the cheek to say she has done anything against the supermarket indeed I intend to go one better and campaign against her !  How can we ever trust her again it's beyond me !

Whether you feel aggrieved or not is irrelevant to me and my point, and your original post, had nothing at all to do with the supermarket issue, so attempting to make a link is disingenuous. If your research capabilities are so good, then surely you could have found out about Shan Alexander's sentence etc rather than using an internet forum to infer wrongdoing.
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« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2012, 09:10:21 AM »

Don't you think we have tried to gain the information !  And Steptoe it is important that justice is seen to be done , more importantly in Ms Alexander's case who has to ensure as her role as a councillor a commitment to those  she serves and a true belief in the British judicial system ! So far I see none of those requirements in Ms Alexander who to date has not displayed a commitment to those she serves with regard to the supermarket issue.
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« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2012, 10:09:40 AM »

Miss M - you say you are going to campaign "against" Shan Alexander. Does that mean you are just encouraging people not to vote for her or will you be endorsing another candidate?
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« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2012, 10:29:45 AM »

Howard, I'm a touch confused about this particular piece of moderation.

I have PM'd you. Howard
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« Reply #35 on: April 09, 2012, 12:15:07 PM »

I am 100% sure that it is not a coincidence that plans for the supermarket have not as yet been submitted. I may not be the brightest button in the box but even I can see it is being delayed until after the elections and that must be a concern to all people who will be effected by a supermarket on Hibbert Lane.   This is why it is important that all elected members are accountable to the very people that put them in the privileged positions they hold and they should NEVER be allowed to  forget who put them there.
As for endorsing another candidate I think we should wait and see what their election addresses are   Six elected members from the same party representing the best interests of the people of Marple is not healthy as the past months have proved.  It is my belief that until the supermarket issue raised it head some of our elected members felt that they no longer needed to consult on issues with the people they serve, such was their inflated opinion of themselves.  But times have changed and we must remind our elected members that they are to be more accountable now than ever.  Marple has had it's wake up call and will not be caught out again. Undecided

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« Reply #36 on: April 09, 2012, 01:17:11 PM »

Don't you think we have tried to gain the information !  And Steptoe it is important that justice is seen to be done , more importantly in Ms Alexander's case who has to ensure as her role as a councillor a commitment to those  she serves and a true belief in the British judicial system ! So far I see none of those requirements in Ms Alexander who to date has not displayed a commitment to those she serves with regard to the supermarket issue.

Again, you are willfully trying to link the supermarket issue to your original inference of wrongdoing regarding the sentencing.  You're going for the moral high ground regarding the judicial system when, basically, you want to try and sentence her via an internet forum and see Shan Alexander in the stocks in Memorial Park.  I'm against the supermarket but these tactics do the campaign far more damage than good.
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« Reply #37 on: April 09, 2012, 05:08:21 PM »

Miss Marple - why don't you merely stand for election? Seems you have an armchair passion which is wasted in being channelled into tapping into a keyboard rather than putting yourself on the stand? Have you not thought to put yourself up as an Independent on a single issue campaign?
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« Reply #38 on: April 09, 2012, 05:26:26 PM »

I am 100% sure that it is not a coincidence that plans for the supermarket have not as yet been submitted......  But times have changed and we must remind our elected members that they are to be more accountable now than ever.  

You are correct, but please don't sniff out conspiracy again. This is absolutely standard practice for developments of a resaonable size. What developer would want his scheme to be used as a local political football? Despite planning having nothing to do with politics, it doesn't stop local Councillors trying to get elected off the back of tub-thumping, when in reality they have little influence in the long run. And neither does it stop pressure groups trying to bully Councillors in the same manner.

Your second point that I have highlighted above is an interesting one. Short of a referendum how do we actually know what the majority of Marple want? Is it a case of whoever shouts the loudest must be right? Again, politics has no part in planning decisions, other than to get them wrong (which then gets corrected at public inquiry at tax-payers expense).

If, for the sake of argument, MIA were to field a candidate and win then I'm not entirely sure what good it would do in the long run - given that the Council are going to refuse any retail application at Hibbert Lane anyway on policy grounds, and there is no way that any MIA Councillor would be allowed onto the local planning committe to vote on such a subject, due to their stated bias. After this initial Council decision any Councillor wouild have little or no influence on any later planning appeal stages anyway. I suspect this is why MIA haven't gone down such a route.
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« Reply #39 on: April 09, 2012, 07:49:15 PM »

Belly is quite right, it makes no tactical sense for a single issue campaign to stand a candidate in this election.

However, how candidates behave in relation to the issues - like a major development on Hibbert Lane - is how you assess their fitness to serve as our representatives.

For me, Shan Alexander has failed in her duties, and it is time to give someone else a chance.

For all the reasons Miss Marple has said.

As for the matter of her criminal conviction, well, it doesn't help.
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« Reply #40 on: April 09, 2012, 08:10:45 PM »

For me, Shan Alexander has failed in her duties, and it is time to give someone else a chance.

For all the reasons Miss Marple has said.

As for the matter of her criminal conviction, well, it doesn't help.

For anyone unaware of the details of the tragic crash, details were reported here: http://menmedia.co.uk/stockportexpress/news/s/1185487_exmayor_pleads_guilty_over_crash and later here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/8428524.stm.

The same Manchester Evening News site has an interesting league table showing how much our locally elected representatives claimed in allowances and expenses. http://menmedia.co.uk/stockportexpress/news/politics/s/1240689_934000__the_price_of_civic_duty_in_stockport.

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« Reply #41 on: April 09, 2012, 09:00:58 PM »

The only benefit of a single-issue candidate in relation to the tired supermarket issue is that it gives all of us the chance to either elect such a candidate or relegate them to a position which puts the matter where it belongs - at the end of the queue, at the head of which is a proper planning process. Somewhere in the midst of the queue are all the armchair naysayers who, in reality, speak for no-one but themselves and a few likeminded 'activists'. All rather silly.
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« Reply #42 on: April 09, 2012, 09:18:28 PM »

Heritage - I don't understand you. On a forum like this we're all "armchair naysayers" and "keyboard warriors" or any other insult you wish to throw up - you included.

You are right in the sense that the issue belongs in the planning process - and that's precisely why no-one from Marple In Action is standing. It's a total non-argument. Silly is creating an argument against a non existent election campaign just because you don't like a few people involved in it.
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« Reply #43 on: April 09, 2012, 10:31:05 PM »

I am of the belief that all Councillors will follow the the party line rather than the concerns of the people
they are supposed to represent.
With regards to the Supermarket on Hibbert Lane, obviously the councillors feel the majority
of "voters" are against the proposed plans so they follow suit with the up & coming elections.

With regards to Shan Alexander, I have e-mailed on 3 separate occasions in the past and not received a reply or even acknowledgement. I have in the passed received a personnel letter in response to a e-mail from our MP.
From a personnel perspective I have a negative view of our elected representative.



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« Reply #44 on: April 09, 2012, 10:33:27 PM »

remind yourselfs that councillors are on extreamly good wages,new laptops and phones and other percs of the job,so they will be no great rush to leave thier posts

The basic councillor allowance for 2010/11 was £9,554.52, alot of
our councillors after May 2011 have taken a 10% reduction (as I will).

Anything on top of that is for 'Special Responsibility' such as being the chair of a committee, or if you are
an executive councillor for a specific department like Environment, Children & Young People, Finance, etc.

Any laptops or phones are for council use only.
What is the £9,554.52 allowance supposed to cover?
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