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« Reply #60 on: April 10, 2012, 06:33:49 PM »

Miss M repeatedly states that she wants councillors to 'consult' us on specific issues.  Is this a campaign for repeated referendums to be held on every issue? If so, who is going to pay for it? And if not, how is this consultation supposed to be organised? 
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« Reply #61 on: April 10, 2012, 07:16:23 PM »

What do you suggest Dave ? Do you honestly think our elected members can continue to make ill thought out decisions on our behalf.   Consultation does not cost anything albeit a possible addition to their newsletter which could alert the community that an issue of importance will be discussed at Area Committee on such and such a date, then those with an interest could attend.   It's not flipping rocket science is it ?  Undecided.    My God, Dave old boy ,   I have missed my way in life if that was supposed to be a Mensa  test  Kiss
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« Reply #62 on: April 10, 2012, 09:16:08 PM »

I see. So 'consultation' means a show of hands among a random group of people who happen to be free when the Area Committee takes place, and have the time, independent mobility  and motivation to attend. Sounds like a recipe for the tyranny of the pressure group to me!
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« Reply #63 on: April 10, 2012, 10:15:26 PM »

Seems clear to me just reading these threads, Miss M, that beneath all the bluff and bluster you're not really properly engaged with community issues in any meaningful way. To assert that a community isn't "ready for you yet" just makes you seem silly and, well, irrelevant. At the risk of having my post removed for inappropriate content, the sense I get is that you enjoy idle keyboard banter but have no real awareness of how to make a difference on the ground. The posts you put up seem actually to belittle proper issues by reducing them to would-be witty quips which just sound desperate. Why not actually try and change the status quo, emerge from behind your PC, and get out there and show everyone what a real force-for-change you are? Or is that....too hard really....
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« Reply #64 on: April 10, 2012, 10:49:00 PM »

MIA have decided not to put forward a candidate this year so it is not possible for me to get out there    Also for me to stand could be seen as a conflict of interests in my current employment role, but that maybe  due to change very soon   When you say I am not in touch with the community, I can not tell you how much in touch I really am on a daily basis  and that's why I possibly make would be witty quips at some people on this forum who are so far removed from reality it's frightening.   That  also goes for some of our elected members who since the supermarket issue raised it's head  I have been observing whilst  attending  Area Committee Meetings.  I have  witnessed some elected members speaking  to people who raise issues as if they were beneath them and appear to take pride in belittling the issues raised    
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« Reply #65 on: April 10, 2012, 11:52:08 PM »

whats up with labour ?

Vermin Fawlty!

Seriously, 13 years of national cock up is a start.  Locally, you just have to look over to manc to see how they prioritise their spending. Awful awful people who must never be let near the public purse ever again.
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« Reply #66 on: April 11, 2012, 07:35:38 AM »

Contrary to what you believe, Duke, I haven't voted Labour for about 30 years. However, I am thinking of doing so on 3 May. What do the spending priorites of Manchester City Council tell us about what might happen if a Labour council were elected in Stockport? Oh, and please, we don't want to hear any more about Sir Richard Leese ;-)
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« Reply #67 on: April 11, 2012, 10:08:00 AM »

Can the Conservative candidate let us know his standpoint regarding the supermarket on Hibbert Lane?
 
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« Reply #68 on: April 11, 2012, 10:13:26 AM »

whats up with labour ?

Vermin Fawlty!

Seriously, 13 years of national cock up is a start.  Locally, you just have to look over to manc to see how they prioritise their spending. Awful awful people who must never be let near the public purse ever again.

Vermin, a trifle harsh even in jest...the way you speak about them you'd think they were all accountants, lawyers, or bankers.
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« Reply #69 on: April 11, 2012, 10:29:09 AM »

Contrary to what you believe, Duke, I haven't voted Labour for about 30 years. However, I am thinking of doing so on 3 May. What do the spending priorites of Manchester City Council tell us about what might happen if a Labour council were elected in Stockport? Oh, and please, we don't want to hear any more about Sir Richard Leese ;-)

The way I see it Dave is this. The council had a budget cut, despite them crying foul, it was only a cut equivalent to their 2007 budget (in real terms - taking consideration of inflation etc). The truth of the matter it that we as individuals have seem our budget cut because the council have enjoyed generous inflation busting increases in their budget for many years.

So there is a cut in councils budget we can all agree, I say about time too, you may say that's wrong but that is a different matter.

Like any of us, when faced with a reduction in budget, we have to look at what in life we really need, what's nice to have and what is essentially a waste.

So, a council? I'd say we still need streets cleaned, libraries, sports facilities etc all things that are classic council services. If I were a leader of a council, I'd try my best to protect these and in Manchester city council's case, they easily afforded these services in 2007 so there is absolutely no reason that a competent council can afford to keep them going in 2012. Of course, for a Labour council, competence isn't something that comes easily. Given the cut in budget, Manchester city council announced large cutbacks of these council services that most would think are core to what a council should be doing. They did this with great fanfare and some (even me) would suggest these cuts which play with people's lives were not just down to incompetence but were actually a cynical move by a Labour council trying to make political capital with a total disregard of those who pay council tax or those who depend on the council's services. So they are either cynical power crazed dictators or totally incompetent or a mixture of both.

Ok, you may say but they lost there budget, where could savings have been made? Well, the council carried on with it's Summer and winter entertainments programme, music festivals and other funded events for people who like itchy clothing, None of this was cut! It did seek sponsorship for it's main indulgence in he summer and claimed that it would be self-financing , guess what, it wasn't cost estimates now suggest more than £1m!! What else could it have done? Perhaps there were no other areas that could be cut. Well, here is just a sample of jobs that are still going strong, paid for by the council tax payer. Whilst the council could not afford a librarian at £12k a year, it has advertised for the following posts: Nuclear Free Local Secretariat & Policy and Research Officer @ £37k, New Media Manager @ £38k, Link Worker - Indian and East African Asian on £25,940; a Cultural Regeneration Officer (1) @ a cool £30k; another Cultural Regeneration Officer on a mere £28,919,  Assistant Specialist Market Manager on £ 27,016...well it is only an assistant post, Corporate Lead Officer, Lesbians' issues ( I kid you not ) on £38k, Corporate Lead Officer, Gay Men's Issues, another £38k, a 'Zest' Hub Co-Ordinator ( whatever that is ) on £30k, Climate Change Officer £37,206, Team Strategic Development on salary of £41,616, a Creative Director on a juicy £120,000, An Expressive and Performing Arts Technician @ £21,519, a Travel Change Team Policy Officer on £34,549.....

Maybe it's just my preference and that's why my local authority wasn't the one I voted for. Maybe that's democracy but those are not my priorities for a local council.


Oh yes, Richard Leese lied through his teeth about Tif - I can't imagine why....actually I can think of thousands of reasons before tax + expenses.
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« Reply #70 on: April 11, 2012, 10:38:47 AM »

Can the Conservative candidate let us know his standpoint regarding the supermarket on Hibbert Lane?
 

Carl's view is given here:

"Hi Miss Marple,

Although I run a business and I see the need to have new jobs created in the area, I do think an ASDA there (and the second supermarket in Marple)
would be to the detriment of the local small shops in Marple centre. Also, Hilbert lane in my view is really not designed to take the amount of traffic
it would need to for the supermarket. So in answer to your question, I am against the plans for those reasons.

I do think the site should be kept for education. If the plans do go though and you want the local shops to stay you need to use them,
I can't stress that enough. Marple North did a survey recently, it showed two-thirds where against and one-third for another supermarket in Marple.

I hope that answers your question."




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« Reply #71 on: April 11, 2012, 12:46:42 PM »

I enjoyed Duke's parody of a Daily Mail column, but it completely misses the point!  Let's look at the big picture. 

I've lived in Greater Manchester almost continuously since I came here as a student in the 60s.  The city has been simply transformed over that time - it is unrecognisable compared with the depressing run-down place it was then.  Compared with other cities such as Birmingham, Leeds and Liverpool, Manchester City Council has presided over an astonishingly successful period of regeneration.  And a lot of that success must be down to key figures such as Graham Stringer, Richard Leese and Howard Bernstein, and to the successive Labour councils which they have led so successfully.   
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« Reply #72 on: April 11, 2012, 01:36:36 PM »

I enjoyed Duke's parody of a Daily Mail column, but it completely misses the point!  Let's look at the big picture.  

I've lived in Greater Manchester almost continuously since I came here as a student in the 60s.  The city has been simply transformed over that time - it is unrecognisable compared with the depressing run-down place it was then.  Compared with other cities such as Birmingham, Leeds and Liverpool, Manchester City Council has presided over an astonishingly successful period of regeneration.  And a lot of that success must be down to key figures such as Graham Stringer, Richard Leese and Howard Bernstein, and to the successive Labour councils which they have led so successfully.    

That's very cheap Dave, if you don't have a valid argument against a slightly right of centre point of view why not dismiss it with "parody of a Daily Mail column" then you will not need to address anything that is said.

You have compared Manchester with other cities that have endured prolonged periods of Labour local government and all performing badly. Compare with say Southampton, Reading, Basingstoke, Oxford, Cambridge and these towns and cities have enjoyed prolonged economic growth which eclipses Manchester and that growth is down to private enterprise not just some spike in public sector jobs and a fashionable interest in football.

Manchester has only become more attractive due to the explosion of interest in English football for which Manchester united have been particularly lucky to see their period of success correspond with that worldwide interest along with having the story of Munich to go with it. Otherwise, there is little that Manchester offers than Leeds, I'd say Leeds is a nicer City as someone who has lived in both.
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« Reply #73 on: April 11, 2012, 03:11:24 PM »

While we can see why certain people are fixated with an election candidate's "position" in relation to a fictitious new supermarket, for which no land has been purchased in an area where a supermarket would be allowed permission, and unsurprisingly therefore no planning application submitted, why are we not equally interested in these candidates' positions in relation o having a supermarket in Marple at all? The forum seems to assume "one supermarket good, two terrible"....yet I don't see anyone campaigning to boycott the Co-Op, thereby driving it out of business and forcing us back into the good old corner shops.

If supermarkets are such a malign influence, why is no-one taking up an "Anti-Co-Op" stance? Arguably better to have a Waitrose or Asda on the Co-Op site. Come on, armchair anarchists and alleged-supermarket-hand-wringers of the community.....stop everyone shopping at the Co-Op!! Get rid of the supermarket you HAVE got!! Take up the cause of the little shop here and now, today!! Or is that not quite as exciting, hand-wringers?  Grin
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« Reply #74 on: April 11, 2012, 03:43:22 PM »

Can the Conservative candidate let us know his standpoint regarding the supermarket on Hibbert Lane?
 

Carl's view is given here:

"Hi Miss Marple,

Although I run a business and I see the need to have new jobs created in the area, I do think an ASDA there (and the second supermarket in Marple)
would be to the detriment of the local small shops in Marple centre. Also, Hilbert lane in my view is really not designed to take the amount of traffic
it would need to for the supermarket. So in answer to your question, I am against the plans for those reasons.

I do think the site should be kept for education. If the plans do go though and you want the local shops to stay you need to use them,
I can't stress that enough. Marple North did a survey recently, it showed two-thirds where against and one-third for another supermarket in Marple.

I hope that answers your question."

Thanks for that Duke.  So there's no difference in position regarding the proposed supermarket between the Lib Dem and Conservative candidates.  Having attended Area Committees for a few years (when you could get a seat...long before the supermarket issue) and having had some involvement in a couple of issues in Marple, I'll base my vote on policy, track records, contribution to the community as a whole, commitment to the community etc.  Call me old fashioned but I'll take an overall view.  Luckily, I expect many people in Marple will do this and what is worryingly looking like a pitchfork waving mob will not hold sway.  There's been a high level of community action and involvement in Marple for years and the highfalutin stance of some of the anti-supermarket lobby (not to mention some of the baser ways they have attempted to denigrate people) is laughable...and it leads to pointless posts such as the one above.
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