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Re: Tesco at the Garden Centre!
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2011, 01:32:29 PM »


I doubt that this means a 'supermarket' interest. Theres far more likelihood of a succesful planning application at Hibbert Lane than Otterspool. One for the conspiracy theorists this one I think.

Why do you say that, I would have thought that it would be the other way round, particularly given that Otterspool is already commercial use.

Because there are different types of retail designation in planning terms - food retail being very specific. An 'out of town' supermarket at Otterspool which would require nigh on every trip to and from that site by car would pretty much ride roughshod over all relevant planning policy. I wouldn't give a supermarket operator any chance of making that case. The Hibbert Lane case is much more open to debate as its not 'out of town' simply 'just outside town centre'.

Garden Centres are typically given a bit more leeway anyway given the bulky nature of most of their sales, but in any event most have grown out of small nursery developments and therefore their locations are historically less central than other retail uses.
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« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2011, 02:21:23 PM »
I'm sure belly's right about this. Current planning guidelines are strongly against 'out of town' supermarkets, and favour 'edge of town' or town centre.

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« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2011, 02:39:12 PM »
I think Tesco maybe one step ahead !  The garden centre already sells, food, clothing, electrical items, flowers , Cd's , DVDs, animal foods, household items and it even has a cafe. There would not be a  real change in use information in the DPD  :-\
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« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2011, 03:36:53 PM »


I doubt that this means a 'supermarket' interest. Theres far more likelihood of a succesful planning application at Hibbert Lane than Otterspool. One for the conspiracy theorists this one I think.

Why do you say that, I would have thought that it would be the other way round, particularly given that Otterspool is already commercial use.

Because there are different types of retail designation in planning terms - food retail being very specific. An 'out of town' supermarket at Otterspool which would require nigh on every trip to and from that site by car would pretty much ride roughshod over all relevant planning policy. I wouldn't give a supermarket operator any chance of making that case. The Hibbert Lane case is much more open to debate as its not 'out of town' simply 'just outside town centre'.

Garden Centres are typically given a bit more leeway anyway given the bulky nature of most of their sales, but in any event most have grown out of small nursery developments and therefore their locations are historically less central than other retail uses.

Ahh, makes sense when you put it like that.

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Re: Tesco at the Garden Centre!
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2011, 04:40:24 PM »
I think Tesco maybe one step ahead !  The garden centre already sells, food, clothing, electrical items, flowers , Cd's , DVDs, animal foods, household items and it even has a cafe. There would not be a  real change in use information in the DPD  :-\
Thats superficially plausible but in fact wrong. A Garden Centre is a 'sui generis' land use class, whereas a supermarket would be A1 retail. So any such re-development definitely would require a change of use application - which would be refused for the reasons i've set out before.

The fact that Tesco's own Dobbies Garden Centre's does not mean that they use GC's as Trojan Horse's to buy land in the hope of developing supermarkets on them. It's just another way of the Tesco group making lots of money via retail.
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« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2011, 05:36:34 PM »
SMBC is asking via the DPD what the communities views are for various developments  on identified areas such as, The garden centre,   Goyt Mill, CAMSFC Hibbert  Lane, The  sorting office and the water ways Church Lane. I have filled mine in have you ?
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« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2011, 08:41:05 PM »
SMBC is asking via the DPD what the communities views are for various developments  on identified areas such as, The garden centre,   Goyt Mill, CAMSFC Hibbert  Lane, The  sorting office and the water ways Church Lane. I have filled mine in have you ?

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« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2011, 02:46:27 PM »
Looks like I may have to dust off my Marching boots in preparation for another March for Marple ?  There is a very strong rumour that Tesco maybe after that site as their sister company already owns the land  :-\

Dobbies (Tesco) are supposedly interested in acquiring the best of 'The Gardebn Centre Groups' sites. I don't know if that includes Marple, as the group does currently own over 120 garden centres.

I doubt that this means a 'supermarket' interest. Theres far more likelihood of a succesful planning application at Hibbert Lane than Otterspool. One for the conspiracy theorists this one I think.
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« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2011, 02:59:37 PM »
SMBC is asking via the DPD what the communities views are for various developments  on identified areas such as, The garden centre,   Goyt Mill, CAMSFC Hibbert  Lane, The  sorting office and the water ways Church Lane. I have filled mine in have you ?

        Put a link on to it if you can .

http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=3706.msg19841#msg19841
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« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2011, 04:48:33 PM »
The traffic would cause just as many problems here as it would in Marple itself.

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« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2011, 08:07:34 PM »
Maybe this is why the council are strenghthening the bridge...... :-X
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« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2011, 06:20:32 PM »
A man on Wednesday claiming to work at Stockport Town Hall tells me that Tesco already own the land where the Garden Centre is situated and have applied for planning permission to build a supermarket with forecourt.

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« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2011, 06:37:28 PM »
I think we need a bit more evidence than 'A man on Wednesday claiming to work at Stockport Town Hall' before we take this seriously. Read belly earlier in this thread.

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« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2011, 06:03:58 PM »
I think we need a bit more evidence than 'A man on Wednesday claiming to work at Stockport Town Hall' before we take this seriously. Read belly earlier in this thread.

How many people work at the town hall? 1/4 of them!!

I thought everyone was on strike on Wednesday, it doesn't add up.

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Re: Tesco at the Garden Centre!
« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2011, 11:49:18 PM »
There are several different unions so not all were allowed to strike !
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