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« Reply #45 on: October 16, 2011, 02:54:58 PM »

But had the College attended, and been prepared to fully answer questions to the best of their ability, what could we have found out? All the College is doing is selling the land, any future development on the land, and therefore any planning applications, are the responsibility of the new landowners. So what information could the College have given us? What questions could they have answered?

The way I see it, probably the only question they would be in a position to answer, would be who is the likely new owner. And even then, despite it being an open secret that Asda are the preferred bidders, they are probably bounded by a confidentiality agreement that means they wouldn't have been able to confirm it.
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« Reply #46 on: October 16, 2011, 03:02:37 PM »

But had the College attended, and been prepared to fully answer questions to the best of their ability, what could we have found out? All the College is doing is selling the land, any future development on the land, and therefore any planning applications, are the responsibility of the new landowners. So what information could the College have given us? What questions could they have answered?

The way I see it, probably the only question they would be in a position to answer, would be who is the likely new owner. And even then, despite it being an open secret that Asda are the preferred bidders, they are probably bounded by a confidentiality agreement that means they wouldn't have been able to confirm it.
              so what hapens now when will we know if they sell the land .this could go on for years .
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« Reply #47 on: October 16, 2011, 03:43:46 PM »

But had the College attended, and been prepared to fully answer questions to the best of their ability, what could we have found out? All the College is doing is selling the land, any future development on the land, and therefore any planning applications, are the responsibility of the new landowners. So what information could the College have given us? What questions could they have answered?

The way I see it, probably the only question they would be in a position to answer, would be who is the likely new owner. And even then, despite it being an open secret that Asda are the preferred bidders, they are probably bounded by a confidentiality agreement that means they wouldn't have been able to confirm it.

I gather the college have plans concerning some £12m about to be spent on their Buxton Lane site in Marple.  Would have been civil for them to impart that information.

Instead, I think it's pretty fair to say this has been a public relations disaster for the college, so far.
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« Reply #48 on: October 16, 2011, 03:54:46 PM »

But had the College attended, and been prepared to fully answer questions to the best of their ability, what could we have found out? All the College is doing is selling the land, any future development on the land, and therefore any planning applications, are the responsibility of the new landowners. So what information could the College have given us? What questions could they have answered?

The way I see it, probably the only question they would be in a position to answer, would be who is the likely new owner. And even then, despite it being an open secret that Asda are the preferred bidders, they are probably bounded by a confidentiality agreement that means they wouldn't have been able to confirm it.
              so what hapens now when will we know if they sell the land .this could go on for years .
It certainly could. My guess is that all that has happened is that the Supermarket operator will have purchased the 'option' to buy the College land should planning be granted for retail. Until the planning is resolved one way or the other (and if goes to appeal that won't likely be for 18 months minimum) nothing  really will change. Under the option, I suspect the college will sit back and let the supermarket do all the running - as it won't be the Colleges planning application.
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« Reply #49 on: October 16, 2011, 04:03:05 PM »

But had the College attended, and been prepared to fully answer questions to the best of their ability, what could we have found out? All the College is doing is selling the land, any future development on the land, and therefore any planning applications, are the responsibility of the new landowners. So what information could the College have given us? What questions could they have answered?

The way I see it, probably the only question they would be in a position to answer, would be who is the likely new owner. And even then, despite it being an open secret that Asda are the preferred bidders, they are probably bounded by a confidentiality agreement that means they wouldn't have been able to confirm it.

I gather the college have plans concerning some £12m about to be spent on their Buxton Lane site in Marple.  Would have been civil for them to impart that information.

Instead, I think it's pretty fair to say this has been a public relations disaster for the college, so far.

Totally agree, PR nightmare, although this was never going to go down well with the residents of Marple, and there's little that they could have done which would have resulted in better PR, merely different bad PR.

You're right, it would be nice if they could tell us about their plans for Buxton Lane (although it's irrelevant to the point in hand, a supermarket on Hibbert Lane), but they probably don't have particularly firm plans about what the redevelopment will look like, because until the land is sold, they don't know how much money they'll be getting.

I'm not defending the College particularly, it's just that in this instance they are in a no win situation. They've been slated for not turning up, but had they turned up, their answers to almost all questions would have been either "we don't know" or "there's a confidentiality agreement which means we can't tell you", which would have led to them getting slated for turning up and wasting everyone's time.
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« Reply #50 on: October 16, 2011, 04:22:02 PM »

But had the College attended, and been prepared to fully answer questions to the best of their ability, what could we have found out? All the College is doing is selling the land, any future development on the land, and therefore any planning applications, are the responsibility of the new landowners. So what information could the College have given us? What questions could they have answered?

The way I see it, probably the only question they would be in a position to answer, would be who is the likely new owner. And even then, despite it being an open secret that Asda are the preferred bidders, they are probably bounded by a confidentiality agreement that means they wouldn't have been able to confirm it.

I gather the college have plans concerning some £12m about to be spent on their Buxton Lane site in Marple.  Would have been civil for them to impart that information.

Instead, I think it's pretty fair to say this has been a public relations disaster for the college, so far.

Totally agree, PR nightmare, although this was never going to go down well with the residents of Marple, and there's little that they could have done which would have resulted in better PR, merely different bad PR.

You're right, it would be nice if they could tell us about their plans for Buxton Lane (although it's irrelevant to the point in hand, a supermarket on Hibbert Lane), but they probably don't have particularly firm plans about what the redevelopment will look like, because until the land is sold, they don't know how much money they'll be getting.

I'm not defending the College particularly, it's just that in this instance they are in a no win situation. They've been slated for not turning up, but had they turned up, their answers to almost all questions would have been either "we don't know" or "there's a confidentiality agreement which means we can't tell you", which would have led to them getting slated for turning up and wasting everyone time.

            going to get boring this if it goes on for eighteen months even longer . [some of use will have poped us clogs by then ] a well back to the empty coop shelves tomorrow .
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« Reply #51 on: October 16, 2011, 04:27:07 PM »

Marplexile sums it up very well. Re belly's point about the college'sitting back and letting the supermarket do all the running' I'm not sure they'll be so relaxed. We can assume that any supermarket offer for the site will be conditional on them getting planning consent. The longer an appeals process drags on, the longer the college will have to twiddle its thumbs wondering how much money (if any) it's going to have to spend round the corner at Buxton Lane. 
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« Reply #52 on: October 16, 2011, 06:35:01 PM »

But had the College attended, and been prepared to fully answer questions to the best of their ability, what could we have found out? All the College is doing is selling the land, any future development on the land, and therefore any planning applications, are the responsibility of the new landowners. So what information could the College have given us? What questions could they have answered?

The way I see it, probably the only question they would be in a position to answer, would be who is the likely new owner. And even then, despite it being an open secret that Asda are the preferred bidders, they are probably bounded by a confidentiality agreement that means they wouldn't have been able to confirm it.
   They are not bound to secrecy regarding their future plans, assurances that 12million will cover relocating all the facilities such as the laboratories and the like down to Buxton Lane.  I have been informed that to move science labs is very expensive and Andrew Bispham at the meeting on Wed confirmed that, in a previous job he worked at ICI and was involved in that type of work.   It's oh so very convenient for CAMSFC to keep harping on about confidentiality, oh yes and if it hadn't have been for one of their employers we still wouldn't know what was happening !
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« Reply #53 on: October 16, 2011, 07:10:21 PM »

Please tell us who told you how much it costs to move school science labs Miss Marple.

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« Reply #54 on: October 16, 2011, 07:20:07 PM »

Please tell us who told you how much it costs to move school science labs Miss Marple.
The gentleman on the panel at wednesday's extraordinary area committee, who had extensive experience refurbishing science labs answered this pretty succinctly.  When SMBC upload the video on their site shortly, you'll be able to view the exchange Tricky, if you didn't manage to make it on wednesday.
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« Reply #55 on: October 16, 2011, 07:41:06 PM »

Please tell us who told you how much it costs to move school science labs Miss Marple.
The gentleman on the panel at wednesday's extraordinary area committee, who had extensive experience refurbishing science labs answered this pretty succinctly.  When SMBC upload the video on their site shortly, you'll be able to view the exchange Tricky, if you didn't manage to make it on wednesday.

And let's bear in mind that those science labs haven't been refurbished properly for years. Moving them to Buxton Lane and refurbishing, will probably cost about the same as refurbishing at Hibbert Lane.
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« Reply #56 on: October 16, 2011, 07:44:36 PM »

Please tell us who told you how much it costs to move school science labs Miss Marple.
The gentleman on the panel at wednesday's extraordinary area committee, who had extensive experience refurbishing science labs answered this pretty succinctly.  When SMBC upload the video on their site shortly, you'll be able to view the exchange Tricky, if you didn't manage to make it on wednesday.

And let's bear in mind that those science labs haven't been refurbished properly for years. Moving them to Buxton Lane and refurbishing, will probably cost about the same as refurbishing at Hibbert Lane.

To quote Tricky, please tell us who told you how much it costs to move+refurbish compared to refurbish Chicken Lady.  Huh
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« Reply #57 on: October 16, 2011, 07:51:56 PM »

Please tell us who told you how much it costs to move school science labs Miss Marple.
The gentleman on the panel at wednesday's extraordinary area committee, who had extensive experience refurbishing science labs answered this pretty succinctly.  When SMBC upload the video on their site shortly, you'll be able to view the exchange Tricky, if you didn't manage to make it on wednesday.

And let's bear in mind that those science labs haven't been refurbished properly for years. Moving them to Buxton Lane and refurbishing, will probably cost about the same as refurbishing at Hibbert Lane.

To quote Tricky, please tell us who told you how much it costs to move+refurbish compared to refurbish Chicken Lady.  Huh

But this time if we are going to quote Tricky i think we should underline the word school in "school science labs".

I wasn't aware that CAMSFC were on a par with ICI for their science facilities - as this is the inference from the reporting of the quote. Its almost like saying that the cost of a house driveway must be the same as a motorway, as they are both roads used by cars.

My old science lab at school was nothing more than a few desks with sinks in them and a lot of shelves with odd coloured chemicals in bottles on them. Hardly cutting edge.
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« Reply #58 on: October 16, 2011, 07:54:46 PM »

which was sort of the point I was making Belly


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« Reply #59 on: October 16, 2011, 07:59:11 PM »

which was sort of the point I was making Belly


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I guessed so - but it had seemed to have passed others by.   Grin
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