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Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
« Reply #48 on: September 07, 2011, 11:44:30 PM »
Duke you are being very rude tonight.

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Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
« Reply #47 on: September 07, 2011, 11:44:16 PM »
Flipping heck I have never had an enemy before, well not over a shopping list   ;). I know more than you will ever know about absolute poverty and I am pleased to say I have not come across this in MARPLE but I stand to be corrected !  By the way  HWL  I thought you told me you enjoyed a debate , so let's not have a bun fight because if I could cut and paste I would be a force to be reckoned with.   Lol lol  :D

 ;D , seriously though at risk of repeating myself don't underestimate how important and emotive an issue this is.
. I think I am missing something here the issue is very emotive on both sides !  But I will not have it turned into a class war because we have single mums, pensioners , low income families in the NO campaign and they are not pleading poverty so I think we all need to keep it real, or I will be working lots of overtime  ;D
The co-op thing is one of the most emotive issues for the Yes campaign MM. This is not a class war either. I for one am not pleading poverty. I am very middle class indeed! I just hate having the mick taken out of me by the co-op for the priviledge of shopping there.

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Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
« Reply #46 on: September 07, 2011, 11:40:49 PM »
Wow, it seems I have started my own thread  :D

Nevertheless this is a hugely important topic and one that I think MIA are grossly underestimating as can be seen by some of the comments on this thread and the one it was split away from.

A word of advice then to all the No campaigners, it is at your peril that you downplay this issue and the strength of the anti co-op feeling that is out there. If you want to be inclusive then you need to listen carefully to this and don't dismiss it.

Supermarket shopping is a hugely emotive subject for people with young families. It is kind of a specialist subject of ours. Go to a gathering of parents with young kids and it is often all they talk about. You sometimes think "how did we get to be this boring?" but there you go! This is not just people living on the breadline either, it is a passionate topic of conversation for all of us, rich or poor.

We live in a real world, one where price comparison websites are not reality. Where shopping in the co-op can be a hugely frustrating experience due to the unavailability of the best value goods. Where special offers are often sold out. Where frankly you reach the till and it's £10 - £20 more than you were expecting, even for a smallish shop. After all, how many 'big shops' do you see happening in the co-op (ones with at least one full, large shopping trolley)? Honest answers please.

So when you go onto the Yes to a Supermarket in Marple facebook page and see the level of anger and vitriol directed at the co-op and of the 'snobs' in the MIA dictating how we should be doing our shopping, then don't dismiss us as a bunch of contrarians. Think about how it sadly got to this. We have not made all this up about the co-op - why would we? Think about your own approach to the whole issue and how you could do more to listen to these important voices. I'm not saying that people with young families all want a new supermarket, but the vast majority of the ones I have talked to certainly do.

Yet these are also the people who have the least headspace to even think about this debate. But they are also the ones who are rearing the future generation of Marple residents. So finally ask yourself this, is it fair that they have less of a voice than those with more of that most precious of commodities - time?

This real world of yours only seems to exist in your mind.

Your family of 5, Ok it's your lifestyle choice to have a big family so, typical days food:

breakfast:
5 servings bran flakes = £0.32 p
Grapefruit, Kiwi, nectarines & orange fruit salad (made it myself yesterday) 5 servings £0.80
5 x Tea = £0.10 p
Milk used £0.10p
5 x toast & spread - £0.30p

Washing powder used £0.08

Snack - 5 x oranges / bananas = £1.00

Lunch = Sandwiches & filling x 5 = £1.00

Dinner i.e. Beef mince £1.60, onion £0.10, Tomatoes £0.30, herbs £0.10, Pasta £0.40

Daily cost to feed & wash a family £6.20

£43 per week

even saving 20% as you claim, £8.60 is £447.20 a year.

I wouldn't mind betting that whilst people walk to Marple centre, they'd drive to Hibbert Lane superstore giving an additional £2 of petrol / wear & tear. So the saving is now down to £6.60 a week on an unrealistic 20% saving on the co-op v other supermarket.

What if the new supermarket isn't Asda? If it's Tesco, there is possibly no saving at all.

 
Do you really want to persist with this approach? Why then is there such a strength of feeling against the co-op? There are loads of us out there, take a look. Do you think people really take kindly being told what to do in this way? The 'No' campaign needs to get some empathy and quickly. I am giving you and them some good advice here so don't dismiss it flippantly.

I'm persisting because I'm right, you'll find I'm often right.

I challenge you Mr lavish, get your £100 from the bank and do not use your card all week.

pay for your petrol with the cash & shop at the out of town supermarket.

The following week, take £100, leave you car in the drive. Work out your food requirements and go & shop locally, even avoid the co-op because you hate it so much.


I also can't understand how the argument is that you can't afford the co-op whilst you spend such a lot of money on food / household shopping.

I can almost guarantee your £100 will last & leave you with £££ to spare if you do the latter.

I'm sorry Duke Fame but I can't take you seriously at all with this, and I mean this in no way offensively. You say I need 10p per day per milk. We get through 5 - 8 pints of the stuff a day. We often have the washing machine running 3 times a day, sometimes more. We buy nappies, we buy many, many cleaning products and related items (did you notice I mentioned the 'etc' in there?

When did you last do a family shop for 5 or more people, with all the time constraints and other considerations that such a life entails. I spent a lot of time typing up that post earlier yet you have continued quoting theoretical price comparisons and in telling me how to manage my shopping. Please read it again and think about the points I was making.

I've not made the lifestyle choice to have such a large family so can't comment but you must benefit from economies of scale. 8pints of milk a day though? You'll have chrohns disease if you're not careful!

I'm sure you've got a lovely clean house but to buy many, many, many cleaning products a week is crazy.

Don't get me started on bowel diseases - another sadly specialist subject of mine! I'd best tell my 3 year old as he drinks the most out of anyone. What is this nasty, postmodern 'lifestyle choice' term that people keep quoting these days about family sizes? My kids are not a lifestyle - it just sounds weird and a bit creepy. Anyway, I digress.

It would be nice if I had some direct and relevant responses to what I went to effort of typing up earlier. As people seem to be skirting around it as a subject then I'll have to assume that they are spurning this opportunity to engage with the 'Yes' campaign, which would be sad.

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Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
« Reply #45 on: September 07, 2011, 11:40:25 PM »
. I know I just got carried away !  I have never shopped in them but the post on about the new shop highlighted low income families saying that they made huge saving. 
 

a huge saving on some products maybe, but that was not a realistic comment to post about supermarket shopping...

but to compare.... 2 bottles of milk £2 in spar ... cheaper in premier not sure exact price   co-op 2 bottles   1.64 x 2 =  £3.28/  that is a whopping £1.28 price difference MM and that's only milk... do you see the point about what is being said. most people live on a very tight budget, not everyone can afford to shop in Marple. and I've said it before, alot don't do their main shop here. if I had the time I would stand at the bottom of dan bank and count all the supermarket home delivery vans what pass through Marple every single day. and that is to those lucky percent of residents who are able to access a computer and do a internet shop.


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Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
« Reply #44 on: September 07, 2011, 11:38:56 PM »
Tesco and Asda are significantly cheaper than co-op.
The three lowest price nappies, size 5 from
Asda £1.43
Tesco £1.91
Co-op £3.99
That's a saving of £2.08 at Tesco and £2.56 that i could have made today when i had to shop at co-op. And YES I HAD TO. I don't usually have the time to wait at home during the day for a home delivery and when i do i don't have enough money to spend for home delivery.

There are ethical problems about disposable nappies that perhaps the co-op is correct in charging a premium for the environmental damage. Have you considered re-usable?

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Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
« Reply #43 on: September 07, 2011, 11:36:04 PM »
So how many times do we have to queue up at tills shopping at the precinct?

That's the beauty, the fish man gets your fish, you pay him and you are away. There is no waiting whilst you watch the blubberpus in front load 1/2 a ton of chicken nuggets onto the conveyor whilst feeling smug about yourself because you've just bought salad.

There is very little waiting about, you get exactly what you want, no extra packaging etc.

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Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
« Reply #42 on: September 07, 2011, 11:35:33 PM »
Flipping heck I have never had an enemy before, well not over a shopping list   ;). I know more than you will ever know about absolute poverty and I am pleased to say I have not come across this in MARPLE but I stand to be corrected !  By the way  HWL  I thought you told me you enjoyed a debate , so let's not have a bun fight because if I could cut and paste I would be a force to be reckoned with.   Lol lol  :D

 ;D , seriously though at risk of repeating myself don't underestimate how important and emotive an issue this is.
. I think I am missing something here the issue is very emotive on both sides !  But I will not have it turned into a class war because we have single mums, pensioners , low income families in the NO campaign and they are not pleading poverty so I think we all need to keep it real, or I will be working lots of overtime  ;D
BECAUSE IT CONCERNS ME, MINE AND OTHERS !!!!!

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Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
« Reply #41 on: September 07, 2011, 11:35:00 PM »
Tesco and Asda are significantly cheaper than co-op.
The three lowest price nappies, size 5 from
Asda £1.43
Tesco £1.91
Co-op £3.99
That's a saving of £2.08 at Tesco and £2.56 that i could have made today when i had to shop at co-op. And YES I HAD TO. I don't usually have the time to wait at home during the day for a home delivery and when i do i don't have enough money to spend for home delivery.

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Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
« Reply #40 on: September 07, 2011, 11:33:36 PM »
Wow, it seems I have started my own thread  :D

Nevertheless this is a hugely important topic and one that I think MIA are grossly underestimating as can be seen by some of the comments on this thread and the one it was split away from.

A word of advice then to all the No campaigners, it is at your peril that you downplay this issue and the strength of the anti co-op feeling that is out there. If you want to be inclusive then you need to listen carefully to this and don't dismiss it.

Supermarket shopping is a hugely emotive subject for people with young families. It is kind of a specialist subject of ours. Go to a gathering of parents with young kids and it is often all they talk about. You sometimes think "how did we get to be this boring?" but there you go! This is not just people living on the breadline either, it is a passionate topic of conversation for all of us, rich or poor.

We live in a real world, one where price comparison websites are not reality. Where shopping in the co-op can be a hugely frustrating experience due to the unavailability of the best value goods. Where special offers are often sold out. Where frankly you reach the till and it's £10 - £20 more than you were expecting, even for a smallish shop. After all, how many 'big shops' do you see happening in the co-op (ones with at least one full, large shopping trolley)? Honest answers please.

So when you go onto the Yes to a Supermarket in Marple facebook page and see the level of anger and vitriol directed at the co-op and of the 'snobs' in the MIA dictating how we should be doing our shopping, then don't dismiss us as a bunch of contrarians. Think about how it sadly got to this. We have not made all this up about the co-op - why would we? Think about your own approach to the whole issue and how you could do more to listen to these important voices. I'm not saying that people with young families all want a new supermarket, but the vast majority of the ones I have talked to certainly do.

Yet these are also the people who have the least headspace to even think about this debate. But they are also the ones who are rearing the future generation of Marple residents. So finally ask yourself this, is it fair that they have less of a voice than those with more of that most precious of commodities - time?
It as been established through various comments/threads that the a lot if not the majority of people travel
of Marple to do their weekly shop. So they in answer to your question those people will about £2 in petrol.

Another point if you do your shopping in Marple, you don't have do it all in the Co-op.

Prior to the announcement of the proposed plans for Hibbert Lane, was there a campaign or facebook page asking for a new supermarket in or was there the outcry about the Co-op?
How many years has the Co-op been the main shop in Marple?

A new supermarket would be a convenience and is not a necessity, is that convenience worth the effect
it will have on the Hibbert Lane area and centre as a whole?

Also I consider myself to live in the real world and have been shopping for family for the last 20 years ( 16 years in Marple ). I have always done this on a tight budget sometimes with the aid of transport and sometimes without. With regards to shopping at ASDA, the cheapest way I have found is on line is on line, even taking into account the delivery cost. This is from my experience on working on a budget.


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Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
« Reply #39 on: September 07, 2011, 11:32:06 PM »
Wow, it seems I have started my own thread  :D

Nevertheless this is a hugely important topic and one that I think MIA are grossly underestimating as can be seen by some of the comments on this thread and the one it was split away from.

A word of advice then to all the No campaigners, it is at your peril that you downplay this issue and the strength of the anti co-op feeling that is out there. If you want to be inclusive then you need to listen carefully to this and don't dismiss it.

Supermarket shopping is a hugely emotive subject for people with young families. It is kind of a specialist subject of ours. Go to a gathering of parents with young kids and it is often all they talk about. You sometimes think "how did we get to be this boring?" but there you go! This is not just people living on the breadline either, it is a passionate topic of conversation for all of us, rich or poor.

We live in a real world, one where price comparison websites are not reality. Where shopping in the co-op can be a hugely frustrating experience due to the unavailability of the best value goods. Where special offers are often sold out. Where frankly you reach the till and it's £10 - £20 more than you were expecting, even for a smallish shop. After all, how many 'big shops' do you see happening in the co-op (ones with at least one full, large shopping trolley)? Honest answers please.

So when you go onto the Yes to a Supermarket in Marple facebook page and see the level of anger and vitriol directed at the co-op and of the 'snobs' in the MIA dictating how we should be doing our shopping, then don't dismiss us as a bunch of contrarians. Think about how it sadly got to this. We have not made all this up about the co-op - why would we? Think about your own approach to the whole issue and how you could do more to listen to these important voices. I'm not saying that people with young families all want a new supermarket, but the vast majority of the ones I have talked to certainly do.

Yet these are also the people who have the least headspace to even think about this debate. But they are also the ones who are rearing the future generation of Marple residents. So finally ask yourself this, is it fair that they have less of a voice than those with more of that most precious of commodities - time?

This real world of yours only seems to exist in your mind.

Your family of 5, Ok it's your lifestyle choice to have a big family so, typical days food:

breakfast:
5 servings bran flakes = £0.32 p
Grapefruit, Kiwi, nectarines & orange fruit salad (made it myself yesterday) 5 servings £0.80
5 x Tea = £0.10 p
Milk used £0.10p
5 x toast & spread - £0.30p

Washing powder used £0.08

Snack - 5 x oranges / bananas = £1.00

Lunch = Sandwiches & filling x 5 = £1.00

Dinner i.e. Beef mince £1.60, onion £0.10, Tomatoes £0.30, herbs £0.10, Pasta £0.40

Daily cost to feed & wash a family £6.20

£43 per week

even saving 20% as you claim, £8.60 is £447.20 a year.

I wouldn't mind betting that whilst people walk to Marple centre, they'd drive to Hibbert Lane superstore giving an additional £2 of petrol / wear & tear. So the saving is now down to £6.60 a week on an unrealistic 20% saving on the co-op v other supermarket.

What if the new supermarket isn't Asda? If it's Tesco, there is possibly no saving at all.

 
Do you really want to persist with this approach? Why then is there such a strength of feeling against the co-op? There are loads of us out there, take a look. Do you think people really take kindly being told what to do in this way? The 'No' campaign needs to get some empathy and quickly. I am giving you and them some good advice here so don't dismiss it flippantly.

I'm persisting because I'm right, you'll find I'm often right.

I challenge you Mr lavish, get your £100 from the bank and do not use your card all week.

pay for your petrol with the cash & shop at the out of town supermarket.

The following week, take £100, leave you car in the drive. Work out your food requirements and go & shop locally, even avoid the co-op because you hate it so much.


I also can't understand how the argument is that you can't afford the co-op whilst you spend such a lot of money on food / household shopping.

I can almost guarantee your £100 will last & leave you with £££ to spare if you do the latter.

I'm sorry Duke Fame but I can't take you seriously at all with this, and I mean this in no way offensively. You say I need 10p per day per milk. We get through 5 - 8 pints of the stuff a day. We often have the washing machine running 3 times a day, sometimes more. We buy nappies, we buy many, many cleaning products and related items (did you notice I mentioned the 'etc' in there?

When did you last do a family shop for 5 or more people, with all the time constraints and other considerations that such a life entails. I spent a lot of time typing up that post earlier yet you have continued quoting theoretical price comparisons and in telling me how to manage my shopping. Please read it again and think about the points I was making.

I've not made the lifestyle choice to have such a large family so can't comment but you must benefit from economies of scale. 8pints of milk a day though? You'll have chrohns disease if you're not careful!

I'm sure you've got a lovely clean house but to buy many, many, many cleaning products a week is crazy.

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Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2011, 11:28:29 PM »
If people don't like the coop why are you using it, why don't you shop at Spar or Premier for basics like a lot of people do    Check out New Shop at Rosehill post and you will see people shop at Premier to save money

That is just a ridiculous and pointless post MM.... You can not get a weekly food shop from either the spar or Premier! I go there for bread and milk, because their price is fair, unlike the co-op 2 litre milk cost me £1.64 yesterday, kicked myself at the til because I could of got 2 for £2 at the spar.... but the rest of my shopping I cant get from the spar.
. I know I just got carried away !  I have never shopped in them but the post on about the new shop highlighted low income families saying that they made huge saving.
BECAUSE IT CONCERNS ME, MINE AND OTHERS !!!!!

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Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
« Reply #37 on: September 07, 2011, 11:27:41 PM »
So how many times do we have to queue up at tills shopping at the precinct?

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« Reply #36 on: September 07, 2011, 11:27:05 PM »
That is just a ridiculous and pointless post MM.... You can not get a weekly food shop from either the spar or Premier! I go there for bread and milk, because their price is fair, unlike the co-op 2 litre milk cost me £1.64 yesterday, kicked myself at the til because I could of got 2 for £2 at the spar.... but the rest of my shopping I cant get from the spar.

I'd suggest, as I have to HWL that you simply shop on the precinct. THe fruit & veg from the F&V man is far fresher than supermarkets and cheaper. Tip, free -range eggs are £1 cheaper than Asda / Tesco.  5 mins down, poundplus man for soaps etc, he had branded shampoos for £1 (2 mins). fish man for fish & mussels (2 mins), far cheaper & fresher than Tesco's, Asda or even Morrisons. Butchers are again cheaper than your out of town place & better quality to boot (2 mins). Iceland will do some frozen veg at a good price,(4 mins) , Bread shop (5 mins) & Hollins for everything else.

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Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2011, 11:26:11 PM »
Flipping heck I have never had an enemy before, well not over a shopping list   ;). I know more than you will ever know about absolute poverty and I am pleased to say I have not come across this in MARPLE but I stand to be corrected !  By the way  HWL  I thought you told me you enjoyed a debate , so let's not have a bun fight because if I could cut and paste I would be a force to be reckoned with.   Lol lol  :D

 ;D , seriously though at risk of repeating myself don't underestimate how important and emotive an issue this is.

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Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
« Reply #34 on: September 07, 2011, 11:24:57 PM »
Wow, it seems I have started my own thread  :D

Nevertheless this is a hugely important topic and one that I think MIA are grossly underestimating as can be seen by some of the comments on this thread and the one it was split away from.

A word of advice then to all the No campaigners, it is at your peril that you downplay this issue and the strength of the anti co-op feeling that is out there. If you want to be inclusive then you need to listen carefully to this and don't dismiss it.

Supermarket shopping is a hugely emotive subject for people with young families. It is kind of a specialist subject of ours. Go to a gathering of parents with young kids and it is often all they talk about. You sometimes think "how did we get to be this boring?" but there you go! This is not just people living on the breadline either, it is a passionate topic of conversation for all of us, rich or poor.

We live in a real world, one where price comparison websites are not reality. Where shopping in the co-op can be a hugely frustrating experience due to the unavailability of the best value goods. Where special offers are often sold out. Where frankly you reach the till and it's £10 - £20 more than you were expecting, even for a smallish shop. After all, how many 'big shops' do you see happening in the co-op (ones with at least one full, large shopping trolley)? Honest answers please.

So when you go onto the Yes to a Supermarket in Marple facebook page and see the level of anger and vitriol directed at the co-op and of the 'snobs' in the MIA dictating how we should be doing our shopping, then don't dismiss us as a bunch of contrarians. Think about how it sadly got to this. We have not made all this up about the co-op - why would we? Think about your own approach to the whole issue and how you could do more to listen to these important voices. I'm not saying that people with young families all want a new supermarket, but the vast majority of the ones I have talked to certainly do.

Yet these are also the people who have the least headspace to even think about this debate. But they are also the ones who are rearing the future generation of Marple residents. So finally ask yourself this, is it fair that they have less of a voice than those with more of that most precious of commodities - time?

This real world of yours only seems to exist in your mind.

Your family of 5, Ok it's your lifestyle choice to have a big family so, typical days food:

breakfast:
5 servings bran flakes = £0.32 p
Grapefruit, Kiwi, nectarines & orange fruit salad (made it myself yesterday) 5 servings £0.80
5 x Tea = £0.10 p
Milk used £0.10p
5 x toast & spread - £0.30p

Washing powder used £0.08

Snack - 5 x oranges / bananas = £1.00

Lunch = Sandwiches & filling x 5 = £1.00

Dinner i.e. Beef mince £1.60, onion £0.10, Tomatoes £0.30, herbs £0.10, Pasta £0.40

Daily cost to feed & wash a family £6.20

£43 per week

even saving 20% as you claim, £8.60 is £447.20 a year.

I wouldn't mind betting that whilst people walk to Marple centre, they'd drive to Hibbert Lane superstore giving an additional £2 of petrol / wear & tear. So the saving is now down to £6.60 a week on an unrealistic 20% saving on the co-op v other supermarket.

What if the new supermarket isn't Asda? If it's Tesco, there is possibly no saving at all.

 
Do you really want to persist with this approach? Why then is there such a strength of feeling against the co-op? There are loads of us out there, take a look. Do you think people really take kindly being told what to do in this way? The 'No' campaign needs to get some empathy and quickly. I am giving you and them some good advice here so don't dismiss it flippantly.

I'm persisting because I'm right, you'll find I'm often right.

I challenge you Mr lavish, get your £100 from the bank and do not use your card all week.

pay for your petrol with the cash & shop at the out of town supermarket.

The following week, take £100, leave you car in the drive. Work out your food requirements and go & shop locally, even avoid the co-op because you hate it so much.


I also can't understand how the argument is that you can't afford the co-op whilst you spend such a lot of money on food / household shopping.

I can almost guarantee your £100 will last & leave you with £££ to spare if you do the latter.

I'm sorry Duke Fame but I can't take you seriously at all with this, and I mean this in no way offensively. You say I need 10p per day per milk. We get through 5 - 8 pints of the stuff a day. We often have the washing machine running 3 times a day, sometimes more. We buy nappies, we buy many, many cleaning products and related items (did you notice I mentioned the 'etc' in there?

When did you last do a family shop for 5 or more people, with all the time constraints and other considerations that such a life entails. I spent a lot of time typing up that post earlier yet you have continued quoting theoretical price comparisons and in telling me how to manage my shopping. Please read it again and think about the points I was making.