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Question: Do you approve, oppose or not care if a supermarket were built on the Hibbert Lane site?
I object to a supermarket being built on the site.
I approve of a supermarket being built on the site.
I don't mind what is done with it.

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« Reply #1680 on: July 02, 2012, 11:30:51 PM »

Yes sorry forgot MIA number which is.  07790 419494  thanks for reminding me !  It's been a long day !

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« Reply #1681 on: July 02, 2012, 11:36:31 PM »

It's now over 12 months since MIA formed and it's been a hell of a journey for everyone who has given their time or expertise to assist.   On the stall on Sat a few people asked if they could join MIA and wanted to know how to become involved. It's easy just contact by a personal message , contact the action line or I am sure Admin will pass your details on.  MIA is now a recognised  community group  and as many people who assist us the better.  You don't have to have any particular skill, none of us had ever done anything like this before,we just need people who feel as passionate about preventing a supermarket on Hibbert Lane as we do  to join us.  
The latest post from Admin about Exmouth gives MIA a boost it shows it can be done, Exmouth has just proved it.  If you can spare sometime, even a couple of hours  MIA would love to hear from you.  
The fight has only just begun, we are now at the stage where we need as much support as possible, so if you can get in touch!  

spot the difference  Kiss.
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« Reply #1682 on: July 02, 2012, 11:42:05 PM »

 MIA is the community

No it isn't, and that is at the heart of the problem that some of us have with MIA.  We respect your point of view, but please don't claim to speak on behalf of the people of Marple when you have not earned the right to do so. 

Some of us? You speak for yourself
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« Reply #1683 on: July 02, 2012, 11:54:12 PM »

You continue to damage MiA with such cheap comments.
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« Reply #1684 on: July 03, 2012, 06:44:52 AM »

I have asked for the following  information from SMBC hope it's useful to some people like myself who has no idea about planning.  The following is a reply I have received today from SMBC  planning department.

 An Area Committee cannot approve a planning application which is deemed to be against policy. So if the application is against policy, and for whatever reason either Officers or Area Committee Members wish to support it, it will need to go to Planning and Highways for determination. However the Area Committee can simply refuse the application if it is contrary to policy without further reference.

The other factor is size. If the application is more than 5000m sq floorspace, or greater than 3 hectares in area, then it must go to Planning and Highways Committee.

I hope this is clear. The following link might be helpful in explaining the position further


The key for the AC acting as Council decision maker is with the local Councillors. Correct me if I am wrong but at the time of writing we have three Councillors who have publicly stated they are against the development ( I hasten to add this was before any plans were submitted) but we also have three Councillors who have not declared one way or another. If six local Councillors (let us also rememember that three of them are on the Executive) declare against, then that is a very powerful lobby for the rest of the Council to ignore...surely too powerful. Has anybody asked the three undeclared Councillors where they stand?   
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« Reply #1685 on: July 03, 2012, 08:49:44 AM »

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Some of us? You speak for yourself


and he speaks for others as well      QED  "...some of us"
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« Reply #1686 on: July 03, 2012, 09:00:44 AM »

As published on the Marple Inaction website:
http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/Opponents-celebrate-Asda-sinks-plans-store-estuary/story-11796593-detail/story.html

... then read the comments from the townspeople following it!


Thanks for that Hollins. The comments following that story are very interesting. It looks like a minority group of self proclaimed 'community representatives' have managed to kill-off any chances of Exmouth prospering.

There would appear to be many similarities to our current position in Marple, from a petition signed by non residents to a dying town centre.

I thought the following from an ex local shop owner very pertinent:
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... the people who didn't want the Asda are largely retirees with pleanty of time to shop where they fancy and organsie protests - those that want the Asda have busy lives (one reason they want it) and no time to organise NIMBY complaints, especially when a dead town centre forces us to shop out of town for many itmes.
Please forgive the spelling mistakes above, they are from the original comment and it would be wrong to alter something I am quoting.
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« Reply #1687 on: July 03, 2012, 09:07:33 AM »

I stand to be corrected and please feel most welcome to do so but the way I see things going now are this way.

Asda & C&MSFC will hold their "consultation", although it isn't really a consultation is it ? It's more a ...."this is what we're doing if you like it great but if you don't tough"!

Nevertheless, everybody will see that the new College isn't going to be 100 metre high and that the new Asda isn't going to be half the size of Marple. So public resistance will diminish somewhat. They will then submit a joint planning application which the Council will probably reject on the grounds that it is against their planning policy. Three Councillors have spoken out against the development so they are not going to now change their minds, not in public anyway.

Asda will appeal to the Inspectors on the grounds that their application is an enabling one that is not really about an Asda store it is actually about enabling the College to provide the best facilities for its students. No Asda - No College. So it will appear that if you are against the Asda you are also against the College. The College will join up with Asda and maintain that this is true. So the case is very strong for Asda/C&MSFC. Resistance groups such as MarpleInaction are futile and they may as well go home now. The only possible problem for Asda could be if something happens on Chadwick street but this seems to have gone quiet for the moment.

 

     
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« Reply #1688 on: July 03, 2012, 09:24:14 AM »

Miss M,

you say that MIA were asked ..."to NOT field a Candidate"... in the last election, asked by whom??
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« Reply #1689 on: July 03, 2012, 09:27:22 AM »

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Asda will appeal to the Inspectors on the grounds that their application is an enabling one that is not really about an Asda store it is actually about enabling the College to provide the best facilities for its students. No Asda - No College. So it will appear that if you are against the Asda you are also against the College. The College will join up with Asda and maintain that this is true. So the case is very strong for Asda/C&MSFC.
simonesaffron, most of your comments are correct apart from the last bit, once a planning application has been made the only rejections by the council or subsequent appeals have to be based on PLANNING GROUNDS AS SET OUT IN LAW and not on anything else, education and facilities for students have nothing to do with planning regulations and guidelines. Wallmart may very well try and market their proposals this way but that should be seen for what they are.
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« Reply #1690 on: July 03, 2012, 09:27:29 AM »

Asda will appeal to the Inspectors on the grounds that their application is an enabling one that is not really about an Asda store it is actually about enabling the College to provide the best facilities for its students. No Asda - No College.

That's an interesting scenario, and I understand the point Simone is making when she describes the proposed supermarket as an 'enabling development'.   However, in my (limited) experience of enabling developments, they are usually on the same site as the principal development, and integral to it.  So, for example, the shopping mall and car park next to the Lowry Centre in Salford will presumably have been an enabling development, and part of a single mega-planning application.   Not sure SMBC would want to deal with camsfc and Asda in the same way here, though.  And Victor is surely correct when he says that the wider issue of educational facilities will cut no ice with the Planning Inspectorate, whose decision will be taken solely on planning grounds. 
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« Reply #1691 on: July 03, 2012, 10:06:38 AM »

As I understand it the planning application for a supermarket on Hibbert Lane is likely to be rejected because its not within the district centre. I checked this with one of our councillors and he agreed.

I then asked him, what is to stop the council from extending the district centre boundaries so that it encompassed the proposed site? Nothing all all, was the reply. This was done when the Co-op wanted to build the Ridgedale Centre on Hollins Lane.

So, if the council want to, there is nothing at all to stop them from approving the development and allowing our college to provide facilities that are fit for purpose.

Lets just hope that, when the time comes, common sense prevails and Marple can move forward.
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« Reply #1692 on: July 03, 2012, 10:30:55 AM »

Surely the college and Asda HAVE to be 2 applications as they are on different sites,  so they  cant link up as a joint application.

I've got to say never heard the term "resistance group" used to describe people in this way, i like to think of them as a campaign group!!  A group of concerned people standing up for themselves, I might no agree with them but they have made themselves a concern for the authorities and they keep us talking about it, so not that there was any chance of it, but there is never a situation where ordinary people should pack up and go home and not fight... some of them DO win!!

enabling development.  The college works as it is, so its not enabling them, just improving facilities a bit.

As for standing at the election, why on earth would they? It costs money!!  People have not donated money so they can stand for election, and I guess they havent raised enough for that anyway.
There is no point in a campaign group fielding a candidate unless it forwards that particular campaign. They are a little campaign group fighting their corner  a corner that doesnt really have any political bias, fighting a corporation who doesnt care who it deals in politics so even if they could win an election it would not forward the campaign at all. 
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« Reply #1693 on: July 03, 2012, 11:41:08 AM »

 MIA is the community

No it isn't, and that is at the heart of the problem that some of us have with MIA.  We respect your point of view, but please don't claim to speak on behalf of the people of Marple when you have not earned the right to do so. 

Wants again another good posting
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« Reply #1694 on: July 03, 2012, 11:45:56 AM »

As published on the Marple Inaction website:
http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/Opponents-celebrate-Asda-sinks-plans-store-estuary/story-11796593-detail/story.html

... then read the comments from the townspeople following it!


Thanks for that Hollins. The comments following that story are very interesting. It looks like a minority group of self proclaimed 'community representatives' have managed to kill-off any chances of Exmouth prospering.

There would appear to be many similarities to our current position in Marple, from a petition signed by non residents to a dying town centre.

I thought the following from an ex local shop owner very pertinent:
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... the people who didn't want the Asda are largely retirees with pleanty of time to shop where they fancy and organsie protests - those that want the Asda have busy lives (one reason they want it) and no time to organise NIMBY complaints, especially when a dead town centre forces us to shop out of town for many itmes.
Please forgive the spelling mistakes above, they are from the original comment and it would be wrong to alter something I am quoting.

I do know ex mouth and like you say it's dying the town centre is terrible . Most of the no voters and some of the yes voters don't shop in marple anyway .
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