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Question: Do you approve, oppose or not care if a supermarket were built on the Hibbert Lane site?
I object to a supermarket being built on the site.
I approve of a supermarket being built on the site.
I don't mind what is done with it.

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Victor M
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« Reply #1665 on: July 01, 2012, 06:11:29 PM »

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Today the petrol stations in Marple were charging 132.9 for regular unleaded. Asda charge 127.7 nationwide for the same thing. A saving of 5.2p per litre. That's quite a saving over a year for the average motorist.

I think you will find that ASDA (along with all other supermarkets) set their price according to the site and local competition and not on a national basis. So they will undercut the local competition but not be as cheap as say Tesco in Stockport or Morrison's in Hyde. Downside is however that both local garages will close and the view you will get as you drive into Marple will be that of large derelict sites. Some will think that that's a price worth paying some will not, however the decision to grant planning permission will only be decided on planning grounds. They (planning grounds) do not include the price of a litre of petrol or the price of food!
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« Reply #1666 on: July 01, 2012, 06:25:38 PM »

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Today the petrol stations in Marple were charging 132.9 for regular unleaded. Asda charge 127.7 nationwide for the same thing. A saving of 5.2p per litre. That's quite a saving over a year for the average motorist.

I think you will find that ASDA (along with all other supermarkets) set their price according to the site and local competition and not on a national basis. So they will undercut the local competition but not be as cheap as say Tesco in Stockport or Morrison's in Hyde. Downside is however that both local garages will close and the view you will get as you drive into Marple will be that of large derelict sites. Some will think that that's a price worth paying some will not, however the decision to grant planning permission will only be decided on planning grounds. They (planning grounds) do not include the price of a litre of petrol or the price of food!

Just like the Esso in Bredbury immediately closed once Morrisons opened up their petrol station down the road. Poor old Arthur Shell and Ernest Texaco and Sons won't be able to compete in Marple that's for sure.
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thebigshed
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« Reply #1667 on: July 01, 2012, 06:33:01 PM »

I never use either of the two Marple petrol stations unless absolutely necessary and then only to buy enough fuel until I can visit a cheaper supermarket petrol station. How many people pay more than they have to for fuel.  I would hate to see the independent shops put out of business by aggressive and unfair price undercutting but I don't feel the same way about the petrol stations. 
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Harry
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« Reply #1668 on: July 01, 2012, 08:07:31 PM »

I think you will find that ASDA (along with all other supermarkets) set their price according to the site and local competition and not on a national basis.

Victor, you really are a star with your observations.

See http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/transport/new-fuel-price-cuts-at-asda.17973686
Extract: "From today customers at Asda's 196 filling stations will pay no more than 127.7p a litre for petrol and no more than 132.7p a litre for diesel."

or

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/supermarket-giants-to-slash-fuel-prices-7880731.html
Extract: "From tomorrow customers at Asda's 196 filling stations will pay no more than 127.7p a litre for petrol"

or

http://your.asda.com/news-and-blogs/we-re-leading-the-way-again-with-another-2p-cut-in-fuel-prices
Extract: "From tomorrow (Tuesday, 26th June) you won’t pay more than 127.7p for a litre of unleaded and 132.7p per litre of diesel at any of our 196 petrol stations."

There are many other similar reports if you care to look for them. They're called facts.

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sgk
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« Reply #1669 on: July 01, 2012, 08:38:04 PM »

I think you will find that ASDA (along with all other supermarkets) set their price according to the site and local competition and not on a national basis.

Victor, you really are a star with your observations.

See http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/transport/new-fuel-price-cuts-at-asda.17973686
Extract: "From today customers at Asda's 196 filling stations will pay no more than 127.7p a litre for petrol and no more than 132.7p a litre for diesel."

or

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/supermarket-giants-to-slash-fuel-prices-7880731.html
Extract: "From tomorrow customers at Asda's 196 filling stations will pay no more than 127.7p a litre for petrol"

or

http://your.asda.com/news-and-blogs/we-re-leading-the-way-again-with-another-2p-cut-in-fuel-prices
Extract: "From tomorrow (Tuesday, 26th June) you won’t pay more than 127.7p for a litre of unleaded and 132.7p per litre of diesel at any of our 196 petrol stations."

There are many other similar reports if you care to look for them. They're called facts.



Harry - think you've misinterpreted the news stories.

"No more than 127.7p a litre" means that's the maximum price they'll charge.  They still vary the price depending on location and local competition, as Victor pointed out.

For example, unleaded, ASDA Ashton New Road 127.7p, ASDA Chadderton 126.7p, ASDA Isle Of Dogs 124.7p.   These figures are taken from ASDA's own website.

So Victor is indeed a star with his observations.  Fact.
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Harry
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« Reply #1670 on: July 01, 2012, 08:47:58 PM »

You are right sgk.

Victor, please accept my apologies. I misunderstood your post. You're correct, we may be paying even less than 127.7p per litre when Asda arrive.

Don't worry about the other petrol stations. They'll just have to adjust their prices and stop overcharging us.

 Smiley
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« Reply #1671 on: July 01, 2012, 10:07:10 PM »

mm why do you waste your time and effort informing the people on here  who just feed off your information and belittle you.   Without you they would get to know nowt, tell them nothing and let then argue and bicker amongst themselves.   that's my advice
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« Reply #1672 on: July 02, 2012, 07:48:29 AM »

Harry and HWL are right - the other two petrol stations in Marple will reduce their prices to be closer to (or even match) the Asda price, just as the Esso garage in Bredbury matches Morrisons' price.  Being in central locations with more passing traffic they may get away with charging 1p or so more. 
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Victor M
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« Reply #1673 on: July 02, 2012, 04:31:31 PM »

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You are right sgk.

Victor, please accept my apologies. I misunderstood your post. You're correct, we may be paying even less than 127.7p per litre when Asda arrive.

Harry, I'll accept your apology this time but along with a number of other people on this forum I don't think you have read my post in the correct context.
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I think you will find that ASDA (along with all other supermarkets) set their price according to the site and local competition and not on a national basis. So they will undercut the local competition but not be as cheap as say Tesco in Stockport or Morrison's in Hyde. Downside is however that both local garages will close and the view you will get as you drive into Marple will be that of large derelict sites. Some will think that that's a price worth paying some will not, however the decision to grant planning permission will only be decided on planning grounds. They (planning grounds) do not include the price of a litre of petrol or the price of food!

As the 1st person to raise the issue of CAMSFC wanting to sell the Hibbert Lane site to a Supermarket (which is now nearly 6 years ago) I was trying to move the debate on to the planning grounds that the application will either pass or fail on. The price of a litre of fuel or a chicken drumstick does not come into the equation. I am becoming very disappointed in the way this forum is being used by people of all opinions in trying to out shout each other rather than using constructive debate (that and the appalling grammar, syntax and spelling)
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Miss Marple
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« Reply #1674 on: July 02, 2012, 05:15:21 PM »

I have asked for the following  information from SMBC hope it's useful to some people like myself who has no idea about planning.  The following is a reply I have received today from SMBC  planning department.

 An Area Committee cannot approve a planning application which is deemed to be against policy. So if the application is against policy, and for whatever reason either Officers or Area Committee Members wish to support it, it will need to go to Planning and Highways for determination. However the Area Committee can simply refuse the application if it is contrary to policy without further reference.

The other factor is size. If the application is more than 5000m sq floorspace, or greater than 3 hectares in area, then it must go to Planning and Highways Committee.

I hope this is clear. The following link might be helpful in explaining the position further


http://www.stockport.gov.uk/2013/2994/developmentcontrol/delegationofplanningapps
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Dave
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« Reply #1675 on: July 02, 2012, 05:44:22 PM »

the Area Committee can simply refuse the application if it is contrary to policy without further reference.

So this means that Area Committee could throw out this application and stop it going any further?  Is that correct?   Even though some members have compromised their position by coming out against it beforehand?  If so, it could give powerful grounds for Asda's appeal to the Planning Inspectorate! 
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« Reply #1676 on: July 02, 2012, 07:56:31 PM »

I think Victor M is correct this nonsense  needs addressing,  so I have now made a decision,  due to the awful  comments I have received, to just post  on the forum to share information to some of the community who contact the Action line for information who I then direct to this site.
In my profession I would not tolerate being verbally abused and have the power of a legal team to prevent it, so it makes a nonsense to allow myself to be subject to some forum members comments which quite frankly are appalling.   I know they  would not dare to speak to me or indeed anyone else that way face to face, they only feel brave and powerful behind a computer screen,how sad.       So from now on I will just post and will not get drawn into debates.  Thanks Victor in making me see sence  Kiss
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hollins
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« Reply #1677 on: July 02, 2012, 10:13:33 PM »

As published on the Marple Inaction website:
http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/Opponents-celebrate-Asda-sinks-plans-store-estuary/story-11796593-detail/story.html

... then read the comments from the townspeople following it!
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« Reply #1678 on: July 02, 2012, 10:16:00 PM »

It's now over 12 months since MIA formed and it's been a hell of a journey for everyone who has given their time or  expertise to assist.   On the stall on Sat a few people asked if they could join MIA and wanted to know how to become involved.  It's easy just contact by a personal message , contact the action line or I am sure Admin will pass your details on.  MIA is the community and as many people who assist us the better.  You don't have to have any particular skill, none of us had ever done anything like this before,we just need people who feel as passionate about preventing a supermarket on Hibbert Lane as we do  to join us.  
The latest post from Admin about Exmouth gives MIA a boost it shows it can be done, Exmouth has just proved it.  If you can spare sometime, even a couple of hours  MIA would love to hear from you.  
The fight has only just begun, we are now at the stage where we need as much support as possible, so if you can get in touch!  
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« Reply #1679 on: July 02, 2012, 10:59:37 PM »

 MIA is the community

No it isn't, and that is at the heart of the problem that some of us have with MIA.  We respect your point of view, but please don't claim to speak on behalf of the people of Marple when you have not earned the right to do so. 
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