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Do you approve, oppose or not care if a supermarket were built on the Hibbert Lane site?

I object to a supermarket being built on the site.
I approve of a supermarket being built on the site.
I don't mind what is done with it.

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Re: Tesco / ASDA !!!
« Reply #1260 on: January 11, 2012, 10:30:31 PM »
Don't underestimate the draw of the canal, parks and views which bring people in from Manchester and other nearby areas. Having worked in Manchester for many years I have met many, many people who visit Marple principally to enjoy these wonderful assets of ours.
On this point we agree, I work with many from around the Stockport area and beyond who regularly visit the Marple area for the above.
Would they be put off by the likely increase in Traffic a large Supermarket would bring at weekends. ;D

Why would there be a large increase in traffic in Marple at the weekends because of a new supermarket sized to meet the local (currently supermarketless) Marple catchment? If you take what Bowden Guy suggests then it is quite possible that a large number of Marple folk would, in future, 'stay local' and shop in the new local supermarket in Marple 'town centre' rather than driving out of the town to a supermarket in say Bredbury, Glossop, Hazel Grove or Stockport.

Speaking personally, provision of a new supermarket in Marple would probably remove my current Saturday mornng trip to Sainsburys or Tesco along Stockport Road - so providing an opportunity for a visitor to the town to make use of the roadspace I am currently taking up!
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« Reply #1261 on: January 11, 2012, 11:32:03 PM »
Don't underestimate the draw of the canal, parks and views which bring people in from Manchester and other nearby areas. Having worked in Manchester for many years I have met many, many people who visit Marple principally to enjoy these wonderful assets of ours.
On this point we agree, I work with many from around the Stockport area and beyond who regularly visit the Marple area for the above.
Would they be put off by the likely increase in Traffic a large Supermarket would bring at weekends. ;D

Why would there be a large increase in traffic in Marple at the weekends because of a new supermarket sized to meet the local (currently supermarketless) Marple catchment? If you take what Bowden Guy suggests then it is quite possible that a large number of Marple folk would, in future, 'stay local' and shop in the new local supermarket in Marple 'town centre' rather than driving out of the town to a supermarket in say Bredbury, Glossop, Hazel Grove or Stockport.

Speaking personally, provision of a new supermarket in Marple would probably remove my current Saturday mornng trip to Sainsburys or Tesco along Stockport Road - so providing an opportunity for a visitor to the town to make use of the roadspace I am currently taking up!

How do you know the Supermarket is going to be sized to just suit the Marple Catchment Area?
And as you say most people drive away from Marple to do their shopping to Bredbury, Glossop, Hazel Grove or Stockport. For example some at present somebody who lives in the Rose Hill Area and shops in Stockport
would instead of going away from Marple would instead drive through Marple to get to Hibbert Lane. Also someone who lives in Marple Bridge and at present shops in Glossop would change the journey to travel through the centre of Marple instead of away from etc etc.

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Re: Tesco / ASDA !!!
« Reply #1262 on: January 12, 2012, 08:04:12 AM »
Don't underestimate the draw of the canal, parks and views which bring people in from Manchester and other nearby areas. Having worked in Manchester for many years I have met many, many people who visit Marple principally to enjoy these wonderful assets of ours.
On this point we agree, I work with many from around the Stockport area and beyond who regularly visit the Marple area for the above.
Would they be put off by the likely increase in Traffic a large Supermarket would bring at weekends. ;D

Why would there be a large increase in traffic in Marple at the weekends because of a new supermarket sized to meet the local (currently supermarketless) Marple catchment? If you take what Bowden Guy suggests then it is quite possible that a large number of Marple folk would, in future, 'stay local' and shop in the new local supermarket in Marple 'town centre' rather than driving out of the town to a supermarket in say Bredbury, Glossop, Hazel Grove or Stockport.

Speaking personally, provision of a new supermarket in Marple would probably remove my current Saturday mornng trip to Sainsburys or Tesco along Stockport Road - so providing an opportunity for a visitor to the town to make use of the roadspace I am currently taking up!

How do you know the Supermarket is going to be sized to just suit the Marple Catchment Area?
And as you say most people drive away from Marple to do their shopping to Bredbury, Glossop, Hazel Grove or Stockport. For example some at present somebody who lives in the Rose Hill Area and shops in Stockport
would instead of going away from Marple would instead drive through Marple to get to Hibbert Lane. Also someone who lives in Marple Bridge and at present shops in Glossop would change the journey to travel through the centre of Marple instead of away from etc etc.

How do you know it won't? Thats the point, no one knows and yet lots of terrifying pronouncements are being made on the impact of the store. Logically (at least!) why would it be sized much larger, given that Marple is circled by other supermarkets and is notoriously difficult to access by car. I can't see any reason why people would drive into Marple from outside the toen to use a supermarket here, when there are already lots of other more easily accessible alternatives. Given that Marple's population is 25,000+ thats a lot of potential users to a new store, where currently there is little local alternative.

Your arguments re: routeing appears based on a negative perception - all the examples you give are possible, as are the exact opposite (i.e. someone from Marple Bridge who currently shops in Tesco's would then not travel down stockport road, someone who lives in Hawk Green and shops in Bredbury could swap to the local alternative). Trying to unravel that, that way madness lies.... the point I was trying to make is that 100's of trips in Marple will not suddenly appear 'as new' as a result of the supermarket. Studies show that new supermarkets in fact capture diversion trips (nearby and popped in), pass-by trips (passing by and popped in), transfer trips (swapped from a different store), etc. Very little of the traffic is stimulated by the presence of the supermarket itself - i.e. brand new retail trips.

Who knows, all these trips secured within Marple might actually be beneifical to some of the local shops. Again speaking personally, I could see myself using Marple town centre more if I could combine a specialist shop with a supermarket shop, but then perhaps I go against the norm in that respect.
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« Reply #1263 on: January 12, 2012, 12:49:40 PM »
Who knows, all these trips secured within Marple might actually be beneifical to some of the local shops. Again speaking personally, I could see myself using Marple town centre more if I could combine a specialist shop with a supermarket shop,

I went shopping in Stockport this morning.  As usual, I parked at Sainsbury's (but you can also do this at Asda, of course), went in and picked up a few fruit and veg and a loaf to get my £1 refunded, and then strolled off to Comet, Argos, Marks and Sparks and the market to do the rest of my shopping.  

That's what we can expect when Asda comes to Marple - a proportion of Asda shoppers will use the opportunity to visit other local shops while they are here.  This increased footfall should provide a major boost to most local businesses.  Of course, there will be winners and losers.  The chief losers will be the Co-op, Iceland, Boots and Superdrug.  But they are big national chains who we don't need to shed many tears for, do we!    

On the other hand, the winners will outnumber those, and they will also be the small local businesses.  In Market Street I'm thinking of the hairdressers, the two jewellers, the picture framer, Alan's Paints, Harmony Decor, Crafty Ladies, Sew In, Helen Winterson, Bare Necessities, the opticians, the charity shops, Paul Howard, also Harrods car spares, and the tanning salon and the chippy in Derby Way - all the many businesses where Asda won't directly compete.  Why some of these are displaying a 'No' poster mystifies me!   ::)

The other likely effect should be a shift in Marple's 'centre of gravity' away from the Co-op/Hollins area, and towards the south (Church Lane) end of Market Street, because it will be only a short walk from the Asda car park.  

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« Reply #1264 on: January 19, 2012, 08:03:21 PM »
How bizarre !  I walked into Marple on Sat got all my shopping got the  bus home,  had an on line delivery of 10 Jars of Carte Noire which were on offer at Tesco for £4.00 for 200g  jar.   No petrol used, boosted the local economy and saved £2.68 on each jar of coffee  ;)
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« Reply #1265 on: January 19, 2012, 08:33:24 PM »
How bizarre !  I walked into Marple on Sat got all my shopping got the  bus home,  had an on line delivery of 10 Jars of Carte Noire which were on offer at Tesco for £4.00 for 200g  jar.   No petrol used, boosted the local economy and saved £2.68 on each jar of coffee  ;)
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But you didn't shop local .you shopped at tesco online .

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« Reply #1266 on: January 19, 2012, 09:15:12 PM »
How bizarre !  I walked into Marple on Sat got all my shopping got the  bus home,  had an on line delivery of 10 Jars of Carte Noire which were on offer at Tesco for £4.00 for 200g  jar.   No petrol used, boosted the local economy and saved £2.68 on each jar of coffee  ;)
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But you didn't shop local .you shopped at tesco online .
No ! Only 10 jars of coffee on the home delivery saving well over £25.00  So saved petrol, planet and didn't add to the traffic congestion !  ;)
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« Reply #1267 on: January 19, 2012, 09:58:46 PM »
Here's an article which summarises one reason why I don't want a big supermarket in Marple.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/18/pays-tesco-ceo-wages-we-do


For Tesco substitute Asda, Sainsburys, or Morrisons. But not the Co-op, because a) they don't exploit their suppliers and b) they pass on their profit to customers.  

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« Reply #1268 on: January 20, 2012, 02:10:45 AM »
Given the number of Tesco and Sainsbury's delivery vans I see around lately, a lot of people are ordering coffee. Or rather they're staying inside and doing all their shopping online, potentially ignoring Marple itself. Having an affordable and well-stocked supermarket within a minute's walking distance would make our local centre so much more useful to so many more residents. Rather than automatically driving to Stockport or out-of-town supermarkets, getting the train into Manchester or shopping online, more people would stay local, get out of their cars and perhaps realise what the place on their doorstep has to offer.

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« Reply #1269 on: January 20, 2012, 09:30:48 AM »
The Co-op may not exploit their suppliers, but they certainly exploit their customers, when you compare their prices with those at any proper supermarket. 

And re this:
Here's an article which summarises one reason why I don't want a big supermarket in Marple.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/18/pays-tesco-ceo-wages-we-do


......so exploiting suppliers, overpaying top executives and underpaying checkout staff and shelf stackers is OK as long as it takes place in Hazel Grove, Bredbury and Whaley Bridge?  ???

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« Reply #1270 on: January 20, 2012, 06:54:20 PM »
miss marple u must have loads of money or like staying up all night, if u can spend that much money on just coffee, and if asda/tesco comes to marple, you could walk to the supermarket and then carry it home, which means the supermarket would be saving on petrol as well as yourself and then you both would be saving the planet. or did the delivery van not use any petrol when bringing your coffee to your house.
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« Reply #1271 on: January 20, 2012, 08:04:15 PM »
miss marple u must have loads of money or like staying up all night, if u can spend that much money on just coffee, and if asda/tesco comes to marple, you could walk to the supermarket and then carry it home, which means the supermarket would be saving on petrol as well as yourself and then you both would be saving the planet. or did the delivery van not use any petrol when bringing your coffee to your house.

   and after all that it was cheaper AT ASDA . ;D

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« Reply #1272 on: January 21, 2012, 04:06:24 PM »
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The Co-op may not exploit their suppliers, but they certainly exploit their customers, when you compare their prices with those at any proper supermarket.

And re this:
Quote from: Cyberman on January 19, 2012, 09:58:46 PM
Here's an article which summarises one reason why I don't want a big supermarket in Marple.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/18/pays-tesco-ceo-wages-we-do

......so exploiting suppliers, overpaying top executives and underpaying checkout staff and shelf stackers is OK as long as it takes place in Hazel Grove, Bredbury and Whaley Bridge?  Huh
   

No. all this is not OK in Hazel Grove, Bredbury etc but that's what we've got. I think the spread of the Big 4 across the UK should be stopped, for many reasons I've mentioned before. In my opinion Marple is fine without a large (note LARGE) supermarket on the doorstep and should stay that way.

I don't find the Co-op excessively expensive. The others are very good at attracting customers with a few special offers, but for the rest of the stuff prices are much the same.

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« Reply #1273 on: January 21, 2012, 05:00:03 PM »
miss marple tesco didnt save money petrol or the planet delivering your coffee
and i said to the man who stood at the gate of the year    give me a light so i may tread safely into the unknown

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« Reply #1274 on: January 21, 2012, 05:19:35 PM »
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The Co-op may not exploit their suppliers, but they certainly exploit their customers, when you compare their prices with those at any proper supermarket.

And re this:


Quote from: Cyberman on January 19, 2012, 09:58:46 PM
Here's an article which summarises one reason why I don't want a big supermarket in Marple.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/18/pays-tesco-ceo-wages-we-do

......so exploiting suppliers, overpaying top executives and underpaying checkout staff and shelf stackers is OK as long as it takes place in Hazel Grove, Bredbury and Whaley Bridge?  Huh
   
No. all this is not OK in Hazel Grove, Bredbury etc but that's what we've got. I think the spread of the Big 4 across the UK should be stopped, for many reasons I've mentioned before. In my opinion Marple is fine without a large (note LARGE) supermarket on the doorstep and should stay that way.

I don't find the Co-op excessively expensive. The others are very good at attracting customers with a few special offers, but for the rest of the stuff prices are much the same.

     Ok Iceland Kellogg's corn flakes £2.7o .coop 2.79 milk is dearer at the coop as many other things are.