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Do you approve, oppose or not care if a supermarket were built on the Hibbert Lane site?

I object to a supermarket being built on the site.
I approve of a supermarket being built on the site.
I don't mind what is done with it.

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« Reply #1253 on: January 10, 2012, 11:42:59 AM »
Hi amazon everyone who signs the petition puts their address down so it is not rocket science to identify where people live who are signing.

Hi Dave the quote you provided does not mention that these people signed but I am sure you will find another quote to prove me wrong.

Hi Belly when MIA was formed there was at that time no suggestion that an alternative site had been identified.  MIA was formed to oppose a supermarket being built on education land.  MARPLE is a growing town with housing developments being built all the time so it is my belief that we should not loose any education facility because once it's gone there is no turning back.

Your question about why people come to MARPLE to shop at first surprised me.  I soon found out by speaking to people that shopped out of area was that since a supermarket had moved into their area most of their small independent traders had gone so they liked the small town shop experience.

I know people think that I am joking when I invite them to spend time on the Sat MIA stall but I am not.  I think that anyone doubting what I post would benefit from spending time there. It's a real eye opener hearing from people who's areas have suffered due to large supermarkets coming into their areas.  I do hope that people will spend sometime on the stall and speak first hand to these people then you will have a greater insight to the problems supermarkets bring with them
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« Reply #1252 on: January 10, 2012, 09:59:04 AM »
Call me old fashioned but I think our taxes should pay for educational facilities, rather than relying on flogging off land to supermarkets. 

Better not let Miss M see that, or she'll call you an armchair socialist.   ;)

But seriously, I couldn't agree more.  But as you may have noticed, these are hard times, and the government has now admitted that its recovery plan is not working and we are not going to see better times for several years.     :'(

So if we want our kids to have anything better,  we've got to get off our backsides and provide it ourselves (maybe that's what the Big Society means?       ;D  ).  So we are very fortunate that our college governors appear to have found an imaginative and resourceful way of funding much-needed improvements. 

MARPLE is a growing town with housing developments being built all the time so it is my belief that we should not loose any education facility because once it's gone there is no turning back.


In referring to 'education facility', it's important to distinguish between schools and 6th form colleges.  If Miss M means that we might need to accommodate future growth at 6th form level, then we need to note that the college has far more land than it needs, or will ever need in the foreseeable future.  The two camsfc campuses were originally built as schools.  Schools need playing fields - colleges do not.  On top of that, the college Estates Committee minutes of June 2010 confirm that the Hibbert Lane building is too big for the curriculum delivered.  Schools and colleges operate under tight financial constraints; they do not have the funding to run unused buildings just in case student numbers may possibly grow at some point in the distant future.  If there is future growth, they will build to accommodate it, and there should be sufficient space around the Buxton Lane building to do that.

On the other hand, if Miss M is referring to school-level 'education facilities', then the sale of Hibbert Lane is irrelevant.  The land belongs to the college, which is independent of the local authority.   If the council ever wanted it for a school, they would have to buy it from the college (if the college was prepared to sell).  If it was a primary school they wanted to build, they would have to knock the existing building down and replace it with a new one.  None of this is ever going to happen: in the unlikely event that we needed a new primary school the council would use a site that it already owned, so that we council taxpayers don't have to pay for it. 

As for needing to build a new secondary school, forget it - there is more than enough space for expansion on the Marple Hall campus. 

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« Reply #1251 on: January 10, 2012, 08:00:37 AM »
Don't underestimate the draw of the canal, parks and views which bring people in from Manchester and other nearby areas. Having worked in Manchester for many years I have met many, many people who visit Marple principally to enjoy these wonderful assets of ours.

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« Reply #1250 on: January 09, 2012, 10:16:26 PM »
Hi amazon everyone who signs the petition puts their address down so it is not rocket science to identify where people live who are signing.

Hi Dave the quote you provided does not mention that these people signed but I am sure you will find another quote to prove me wrong.

Hi Belly when MIA was formed there was at that time no suggestion that an alternative site had been identified.  MIA was formed to oppose a supermarket being built on education land.  MARPLE is a growing town with housing developments being built all the time so it is my belief that we should not loose any education facility because once it's gone there is no turning back.

Your question about why people come to MARPLE to shop at first surprised me.  I soon found out by speaking to people that shopped out of area was that since a supermarket had moved into their area most of their small independent traders had gone so they liked the small town shop experience.

I know people think that I am joking when I invite them to spend time on the Sat MIA stall but I am not.  I think that anyone doubting what I post would benefit from spending time there. It's a real eye opener hearing from people who's areas have suffered due to large supermarkets coming into their areas.  I do hope that people will spend sometime on the stall and speak first hand to these people then you will have a greater insight to the problems supermarkets bring with them
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« Reply #1249 on: January 09, 2012, 09:18:50 PM »
Concerns regarding people signing from outside the area.  To my knowledge there are very few people from outside the area who have signed the paper petition.   The vast amount who have signed are from around both sites and living on main roads and roads which may possibly become  ' Rat Runs'   I am not sure where the idea that large amounts of people have signed from out of area.  
What MIA are mindful of is people who do not have access to Internet or are unable to get to the stall to vote.  MIA are looking at ways to allow people who may want to sign but are unable to do so by looking at door to door leaflet  drops with a tear off petition slip or something similar.  
We have obtained nearly 8,000 signatures and that's really without trying all we did to obtain that amount was to stand in Market St every Sat, once the planning application is submitted MIA anticipate a lot more signatures, will keep you posted

you have been quoted on this forums as saying alot of people have signed from outside .the area .so have they or not i  suggest when people sign you ask them to say were they are from .and put down as such .you say the ridge are not giving you the full facts i suggest you are not giving us the full facts .

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« Reply #1248 on: January 09, 2012, 09:10:20 PM »
Dave, my friends wouldn't use a large supermarket in Marple because they already have a good choice of supermarkets elsewhere - you mention four locations yourself.  They also believe that the traffic congestion that would build up in Marple would keep them out of the town.  And they would not visit it on a point of principal because of the damage it would do to the current town centre - believe it or not there are some people out here prepared to stick to our principals.

It's one thing us locals opposing the plan for a supermarket on Hibbert Lane - we are all entitled to our opinions, and it's entirely understandable that those living nearest the site should be against it.    But for people from outside Marple, whose kids are educated at other schools and colleges, to try and stop our kids from having better educational facilities, is a bit of a cheek, don't you think? 

Dave, you continually try to portray this as 'our kids from having better educational facilities' vs naysayers who oppose the supermarket and therefore practically oppose education.  Call me old fashioned but I think our taxes should pay for educational facilities, rather than relying on flogging off land to supermarkets.  I'd be interested to know if you, or anyone else, was campaigning for improvements to CAMSFC before the supermarket furore?

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« Reply #1247 on: January 09, 2012, 07:56:46 PM »
The vast amount who have signed are from around both sites and living on main roads and roads which may possibly become  ' Rat Runs'  

We have obtained nearly 8,000 signatures

Those two statements clearly don't add up...

Whilst I fully understand that people worried about traffic and who live on main roads might want to object, these same people would surely also object to an alternative supermarket site in Marple - something that I believe (please correct me if I'm wrong) that MIA don't object to, at least in principle. So what happens if another site, for instance the PO sorting office site, comes forward as a supermarket site - whats the position then?

I'm also slightly surprised that there are all these people travelling into Marple from outside to do their shopping. Where are they coming from and what are they buying that they can't get in most other typical small local centres (apart from an Archer's Pie of course, mmm!). Don't get me wrong, Marple Town Centre is great (speaking as a Marple resident) but I can't imagine travelling a great distance to shop there if I didn't live in the immediate catchment.
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« Reply #1246 on: January 09, 2012, 07:46:49 PM »
To my knowledge there are very few people from outside the area who have signed the paper petition.... I am not sure where the idea that large amounts of people have signed from out of area.  

Er, here, perhaps?   ;)

What's been a real eye opener for me whilst collecting signatures in Marple is the amount of elderly people who make full use of their bus passes and come to Marple from Ashton, Denton, Glossop, Hyde Mossley, New Mills and countless other places

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« Reply #1245 on: January 09, 2012, 07:19:14 PM »
Concerns regarding people signing from outside the area.  To my knowledge there are very few people from outside the area who have signed the paper petition.   The vast amount who have signed are from around both sites and living on main roads and roads which may possibly become  ' Rat Runs'   I am not sure where the idea that large amounts of people have signed from out of area.  
What MIA are mindful of is people who do not have access to Internet or are unable to get to the stall to vote.  MIA are looking at ways to allow people who may want to sign but are unable to do so by looking at door to door leaflet  drops with a tear off petition slip or something similar.  
We have obtained nearly 8,000 signatures and that's really without trying all we did to obtain that amount was to stand in Market St every Sat, once the planning application is submitted MIA anticipate a lot more signatures, will keep you posted
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« Reply #1244 on: January 09, 2012, 06:17:49 PM »
Dave, my friends wouldn't use a large supermarket in Marple because they already have a good choice of supermarkets elsewhere - you mention four locations yourself.  They also believe that the traffic congestion that would build up in Marple would keep them out of the town.  And they would not visit it on a point of principal because of the damage it would do to the current town centre - believe it or not there are some people out here prepared to stick to our principals.

It's one thing us locals opposing the plan for a supermarket on Hibbert Lane - we are all entitled to our opinions, and it's entirely understandable that those living nearest the site should be against it.    But for people from outside Marple, whose kids are educated at other schools and colleges, to try and stop our kids from having better educational facilities, is a bit of a cheek, don't you think? 

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« Reply #1243 on: January 09, 2012, 03:44:37 PM »
It could be argued that those principles will be the ones what closes the local shops down and not the supermarket? I am for a supermarket and will use it, but I will also continue to use the local shops. The only difference in my shopping habbits will be that I don't rely on a home delivery or a bus to take me out of Marple to go shopping.

Good point .if Marple is such a good place to shop why do people go hazel grove bredbury glossop       etc .ithink people will use it but not rely on it .

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« Reply #1242 on: January 09, 2012, 03:20:47 PM »
It could be argued that those principles will be the ones what closes the local shops down and not the supermarket? I am for a supermarket and will use it, but I will also continue to use the local shops. The only difference in my shopping habbits will be that I don't rely on a home delivery or a bus to take me out of Marple to go shopping.

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« Reply #1241 on: January 09, 2012, 03:09:57 PM »
Dave, my friends wouldn't use a large supermarket in Marple because they already have a good choice of supermarkets elsewhere - you mention four locations yourself.  They also believe that the traffic congestion that would build up in Marple would keep them out of the town.  And they would not visit it on a point of principal because of the damage it would do to the current town centre - believe it or not there are some people out here prepared to stick to our principals.

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« Reply #1240 on: January 07, 2012, 01:09:47 PM »
Howard did say "Please consider "

well I have considered it, and Im not changing how I reply to someone, I also dont see the problem with myself or others quoting posts either, it makes it clear who the replies are aimed at .
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« Reply #1239 on: January 07, 2012, 12:43:49 PM »
Irrelevant reply removed. Please stick to topics that contribute something to the debate.
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