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Do you approve, oppose or not care if a supermarket were built on the Hibbert Lane site?

I object to a supermarket being built on the site.
I approve of a supermarket being built on the site.
I don't mind what is done with it.

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marpudlian

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Re: Tesco / ASDA !!!
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2011, 10:07:34 PM »
Why would council tax go down?It never has,never will and the tax banding is for Stockport not Marple ::)

Maybe not but it would free up millions of pounds to spend on more essential services. And I mentioned Stockport as a whole.

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« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2011, 04:24:17 PM »
IF tesco are planning to build a store on the Hibbert Lane site they are probably looking at trying to get customers from:
 Disley and High Lane who will travel through Hawk Green,
 New Mills who will travel along Strines Road and through the centre of Marple
 Marple Bridge, Compstall and Romiley who will travel up Brabyns Brow and through the centre of Marple.

The centre of Marple around stockport Road will become grid locked.

Apart from traffic concerns the real issue is what will happen to all the local shops who will loose custom.

Marple does not want or need a tesco store coming in to grab all the business it can.
why does everybody shop at TESCO .NEW SWIMING BATHS NEW ROAD LAYOUT TO COMPLIMENT DAN BANK . 

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« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2011, 06:37:15 PM »
Well I have to say that I would be totally in favour of this proposal if they do indeed build a new swimming pool that includes a gym.

At the moment I travel to Morrison's in Bredbury at least once a week which a 8 mile round trip and I travel to the gym at the Mooreside in Disley 3 times a week which is a 16 mile round trip.  If we had a Tesco's in Marple and swimming including gym I would save about £600 a year in petrol.  People only seem to talk about the extra traffic coming into Marple but I am far more interested in the  mileage that I would save. I also calculate that I would save over 40 hours of driving time a year.

I also don't see how it can affect local shops. We all currently shop at the supermarket so what difference does it make to local shops if we shop at Tesco's in Marple or Morrison's in Bredbury or wherever.  It would bring more employment to Marple which is another good thing. If fact if it brings people into Marple then that can be a good thing for local businesses.  I do however think that our friends at Spar and Premier would suffer though, but I don't think that would be any great loss!

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« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2011, 09:36:58 PM »
What have you all got against the Co-op?!!!  It is not at all bad, and the movement as a whole is seeking to improve all the time.  I do, from time to time, go to other supermarkets, and I do use the local shops, particularly Wilsons, but I support the Co-op as much as I can.  (I await the brickbats!!)

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« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2011, 09:53:32 PM »
tescos on hibbert lane a good idea ??? are you lot bonkers stupid idea,even more huge hgvs and traffic clogging up marple,we allready have a co-op x2 iceland etc,we dont need any more superstores thanks.
all for the bribe of a little swimming baths/gym we allready have one,get our handsomely paid idle councilliors to improve the one we have and theres a gym in the mill.


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« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2011, 09:20:07 AM »
MarpleX there is also a Gym at the current swimming pool, small but perfectly adequate. If you went there you would save on the petrol and the membership is cheaper than the Moorside. Unfortunately swimming pools are very expensive both to build and run so any thoughts that the council would be able to provide the funds are gone these days. We missed the boat many years ago when the new pools were being built at Romiley & Hazel Grove.

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« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2011, 11:50:26 AM »
I've no idea whether there's any truth in this rumour, but I'd be inclined to treat any promises of swimming pools or leisure facilities with a huge dollop of salt.  Some years ago, I lived in the immediate vicinity of a proposed major supermarket development.  Before planning permission was granted, the company concerned (not Tesco, I should say) made extensive promises about the leisure and community facilities that would be built to replace those being lost to the development.  They even organised an exhibition so that local residents could view plans and models of the new facilities.  Perhaps needless to say, once permission was granted and the supermarket built, none of the promised facilities ever materialised.  It's very hard for local authorities to enforce planning conditions retrospectively, unless they're prepared to engage in costly and potentially risky legal action. 

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« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2011, 07:55:06 PM »
Tesco have got "form" regarding their empty promises of swimming pools, leisure facilities etc.

For one example see the excellent Tescopoly site

We lost our fight against Tesco in 1990 as the developers offered to provide Adur with a swimming pool, which turned out to be just a building with a hole in it so the council had to plumb and tile the pool and furnish/decorate the building! This year it could no longer afford to run this pool and has leased it to a private enterprise.

Or the promise of building a proper ice skating rink before the existing one gets demolished to make way for the store (a temporary one was built, meanwhile Tesco press on with further expansion of the new store regardless) Tescopoly site again

I don't have a right lot of confidence in Stockport Council outsmarting the mighty Tesco monopoly machine, based on their previous skirmishes, see example Independent newspaper article.

In Portwood, Stockport, Tesco built a Tesco Extra hypermarket which failed to comply with planning conditions. At 120,000 sq ft, the store was 20 per cent larger than the size limit that Stockport Borough Council had imposed on it when it granted planning permission.

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« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2011, 08:50:12 PM »
I think there's a lot of truth in this as apparently the college's staff were told about these plans some time ago but told not to mention it before the council elections.  Perhaps some of our local councillors have a vested interest in this - maybe it's time to ask them. 

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« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2011, 06:11:44 AM »
"Miss Marple" has passed on this message from Cllr Andrew Bispham concerning the Tesco rumours. I should add that MM's real name, email address and phone number were provided to Cllr Bispham but I have removed/replaced them for this public post.


From: "Cllr Andrew Bispham"
Date: 10 June 2011 22:17:07 GMT+01:00
To: “Miss Marple”
Subject: Hibbert Lane.

“Miss Marple”,
 
This is a rumour which keeps circulating but as far as I am aware there is absolutely nothing in it. Should the collage vacate, the land at Hibbert Lane is designated as housing land in the structure plan and therefore is not available for a supermarket. If they have looked, this is what they have been told.This is also the first that I have heard about a roundabout. But hey, lets not let the facts get in the way of a good rumour. 
 
Try these, the council are going give permission for genetically modified crops on Arkwright Road rec and the military are going to start dumping low level nuclear waste in Chadkirk Mill. Both of these are totally untrue but it would be interesting to see what comes back after they have done the rounds for six weeks.
 
Enjoy your weekend.
 
Andrew
 
 
From: autosend@stockportcouncillors.info [mailto:autosend@stockportcouncillors.info]
Sent: 10 June 2011 22:01
To: Cllr Andrew Bispham
Subject: You Have been sent a message from stockportcouncillors.info
 
Councillor Andrew Bispham
You Have Received A Message From “Miss Marple”

Tesco
Have you any information about Tesco coming to Marple on Hibbert lane and a roundabout being put where the swimming baths and newsagents is I have heard that all the councillors are aware but wanted nothing said until after the election. When replying be mindful that I put replies on web site for all other interested residents.

 Regards “Miss Marple”

Phone Number #########
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« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2011, 09:08:58 AM »
In Portwood, Stockport, Tesco built a Tesco Extra hypermarket which failed to comply with planning conditions. At 120,000 sq ft, the store was 20 per cent larger than the size limit that Stockport Borough Council had imposed on it when it granted planning permission.
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To be fair to the Council on this one. They did punish Tesco for this and a significant chunk of the Portwood building lies idle. Just have a look the next time you are in there - there is a chunk of retail area down the side near the front door which is not being used after Stockport Council realised what had happened and applied the relevant enforcement action.

There is a long way to go before a store could be built anyway and its not as easy as you might think, but if the demand is there,  I have no doubt that Marple is a candidate for a store. Afterall 30,000+ residents (if you include the outlying settlements) being served by a succession of small co-ops is ripe for something.

I also think that the concerns re: traffic chaos are probably completely overblown, as with a bit if creativity and spending (which the Council could easily extract from any developer through the planning system - and in my experience Stockport Council are one of the better North West Councils for achieving this) I'm sure a solution could be delivered.

I'm no supporter of any new store (if indeed there is any liklihood of one being promoted) but if proposals do come forward, one has to be rationale when reviewing things. The planning system is not there to support the retention of the status quo comewhat may, but rather seeks to decide whether a proposed land use is reasonable for the location proposed. If it is, then planning permission will be granted, with conditions controlling things. If its not then the application will be refused. Emotion plays no part in the long run, as even if you can 'get at' your local council to oppose matters, any impartial government inspector would simpy overturn any such decision made for political reasons at appeal.
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« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2011, 02:16:56 PM »
The college has Governors meetings (or something similar) which has a few students in attendance.  My son who attends the college has been told by a student that attends the meetings that plan is to sell the Hibbert Lane site to Tesco's and to extend the Burton Lane site.

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« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2011, 04:08:04 PM »
Not sure why Councillor Bispham is unaware of this as there is a councillor on the governors at the college - I just had a look on their website and there's a list of the governors.

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« Reply #28 on: June 11, 2011, 04:27:09 PM »
Has anyone any idea of how we can start the objections before it gets to the planning dept so we are not  just left with a cut and sealed decision ?
BECAUSE IT CONCERNS ME, MINE AND OTHERS !!!!!

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« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2011, 04:42:59 PM »
The college should have a policy where the minutes of the Governor's meetings can be made available to the public, might be an idea to ask for a copy of the minutes of the last few meetings. If the Governor's have deemed that the minutes are not available to the public then they may be attempting to hide something.
However is the land is designated as housing on the Structure plan then it would be very hard to get the land designated for Retail development.
No doubt the college will try and sell the land to the highest bidder, but the question we should be asking our local councillors is "If the land is sold off by the college what is happening about the dry sports facility, located on the current site,  that is available to the general public after 4:00 pm."