Tesco / ASDA !!!

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Noticed a couple of properties are for sale on Lyme Grove Marple and also one directly opposite the college on Hibbert Lane.All these properties would be affected if a supermarket was to be built  on Hibbert Lane.It is so sad that people are selling up the home they chose to buy before the college decided to sell withiut any thought to Marple residents

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Scare mongering .mrs o . Why don't you go and ask them why they are selling .

[Belly]

Noticed a couple of properties are for sale on Lyme Grove Marple and also one directly opposite the college on Hibbert Lane.All these properties would be affected if a supermarket was to be built  on Hibbert Lane.It is so sad that people are selling up the home they chose to buy before the college decided to sell withiut any thought to Marple residents

Are you sure that you don't write copy for the Daily Mail?

Unless those who live in these properties come out and say that this is the reason that they are moving, that is pure speculation. I looked at buying a house in Lyme Grove 6-7 years ago, I now wonder why those residents wanted to sell, did they have an inkilng then, or maybe, just maybe they wanted to move for their own personal reasons!  

Are the houses near to the sorting office now being sold, because that site is currently being touted as potentially being suitable as a Casino by SMBC? (amomgst other uses!)

I think its entirely possible that property de-valuation could become a self fulfilling prophecy if we are not careful. Tell theworld that houses will not be worth what they would have previoulsly been and hey presto, it happens! Let people decide for themselves - if I lived in these areas I would not appreciate someone coming out on my behalf to say my house has been blighted! Blight is in the eye of the beholder. Some people don't like living next to schools, some people don't like living next to supermarkets, some people don't like living next to garages, on main roads, etc. Given that houses in these locations all over the country are not empty and decaying, it would suggest that a lot of people actually don't mind these things that much and the world continues to turn.

[sooty2]

Noticed a couple of properties are for sale on Lyme Grove Marple and also one directly opposite the college on Hibbert Lane.All these properties would be affected if a supermarket was to be built  on Hibbert Lane.It is so sad that people are selling up the home they chose to buy before the college decided to sell withiut any thought to Marple residents

[Steptoe and Son]

Well, Steptoe, yet another case of "playing the man rather than the ball". Always much easier than arguing your case, don't you think?

It's playing the game sir, man and ball are both inextricably involved.

[Dave]

can I dare to suggest that your continual devotion to the 'flog the land to a supermarket' cause has something to do with you former role?  Perhaps there's a lack of objectivity at play?  You've continuously tried to undermine the efforts of those opposed to the supermarket and I think that your former role shines a light on this...you'd rather that those professionally involved in these schemes were allowed to make the decisions without the pesky community getting involved.  Regarding facts, one fact we do have is that more than 7000 people have signed a petition against the supermarket. 

I see what you're getting at, Steptoe.  Certainly my work in education has left me feeling passionately about its importance.  As for the 'pesky community', we have no reliable evidence as to what the majority opinion of residents is.  The 7,000 signatures of people who oppose it is certainly an impressive total (about 30% of the population, although it includes some people who don't live in Marple).  But people haven't been given all the facts, they have only been given what MIA have told them, which has included some pretty dodgy misinformation at times.  And to save Miss Marple pointing it out, yes that is the college's fault: they failed to inform and consult fully from the outset - indeed, they seem to have been almost secretive at times.  And as a result, they have handed a propaganda victory to their opponents.  They really do need a good PR person! 

So the college has made a right mess of the communications - but we do still need better education facilities in Marple!

[Bowden Guy]

Well, Steptoe, yet another case of "playing the man rather than the ball". Always much easier than arguing your case, don't you think?

[Steptoe and Son]

Thanks for the info Dave, things are a bit clearer now...can I dare to suggest that your continual devotion to the 'flog the land to a supermarket' cause has something to do with you former role?  Perhaps there's a lack of objectivity at play?  You've continuously tried to undermine the efforts of those opposed to the supermarket and I think that your former role shines a light on this...you'd rather that those professionally involved in these schemes were allowed to make the decisions without the pesky community getting involved.  Regarding facts, one fact we do have is that more than 7000 people have signed a petition against the supermarket. 

[Dave]

Me neither Mrs O.   

[sooty2]

Dave, If I owned a home on Lyme Grove and it was devalued and I was to find myself in negative equity, I don't think I would be saying it's o.k I am helping the wider community as the college exists to serve our town.

[Dave]

So(CAMSFC) are making what they believe to be the best decision for their institution.What about our town?

I think this is the heart of the question.  But surely there is little difference between the interests of the college and the interests of our town.  The college exists to serve our town.  Improving its facilities will improve its capacity to serve our town.  So it is in our interests as well, isn't it?  

I feel great empathy for the people in the immediate vicinity whose homes will cetainly be devalued.

Me too, and I think this is also at the heart of the issue.  Surely any of us who happened to live very close to the site would feel the same.  Whenever there are big construction projects - motorways, factories, railways, and yes, supermarkets - there are neighbouring properties who are affected, often seriously.  But sometimes we have to weigh this downside against the benefits to the wider community, and that's the job of the planners, of course, once an application goes in (if it ever does).  There's currently an interesting example, down in the Chiltern Hills, where the new High Speed 2 rail line is due to pass very close to the prime-minister's father-in-law's back garden.....    

[sooty2]

So(CAMSFC) are making what they believe to be the best decision for their institution.What about our town?Miss Marple is not the only person fighting for what we know and love.There is more to this thread than point scoring.Denigration,slurs and character assassination?If the cap fits they should wear it .A large supermarket will not affect the governors or the principal as it will not be at the bottom of their gardens or mine,but I feel great empathy for the people in the immediate vicinity whose homes will cetainly be devalued.

[Miss Marple]

MM - you constantly denigrate the intentions of the college and those who are charged to oversee its affairs, whether we are talking about the senior management or governors. Are you really so unsure of your case that you need to resort to these tactics? In your world, EVERYTHING the college has done over the past 5 years is devious, reprehensible or dishonest and you look for any evidence to support this. You appear unable to accept that those running the college are making what they believe to be the best decisions for that institution. You should accept that they are acting in good faith and, if you disagree, debate the issues forcefully and furiously. What you shouldn't be doing is constantly resorting to slurs, denigration and, effectively, character assassination? That, however, appears to be par for the course in campaigns like these.

Its  called reiterating ! Like Dave says the thread is very long so like Dave I am just reiterating! That's ok isn't it ! 

[Bowden Guy]

MM - you constantly denigrate the intentions of the college and those who are charged to oversee its affairs, whether we are talking about the senior management or governors. Are you really so unsure of your case that you need to resort to these tactics? In your world, EVERYTHING the college has done over the past 5 years is devious, reprehensible or dishonest and you look for any evidence to support this. You appear unable to accept that those running the college are making what they believe to be the best decisions for that institution. You should accept that they are acting in good faith and, if you disagree, debate the issues forcefully and furiously. What you shouldn't be doing is constantly resorting to slurs, denigration and, effectively, character assassination? That, however, appears to be par for the course in campaigns like these.

[Miss Marple]

CAMSTC were actively  looking to sell before applying for funding from LSC you really need to plough through their mins 

[Dave]

Steptoe, I provided accurate information on the funding of capital projects at colleges.  In return, all I got from you was: 

Dave, again we have your opinion masquerading as the facts

and...

Dave, I trust you'll understand if I disregard your promise

So I reckon I'm entitled to feel touchy.   

In answer to your question, my various posts were in teaching and in management. In my last job I had overall responsibility for three multi-million pound building projects.  These were funded by borrowing, the sale of a building, enabling developments (i.e. having something else on the site that makes a contribution), and capital grants from funding councils.  Sadly, the latter source has dried up, as described above.