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Re: Marple Wharf Development
« Reply #95 on: April 23, 2018, 03:34:00 PM »
The latest responce to Maple Wharf from civic society if on there website .

Here's a direct link to the news of the society's web site:

http://marplecivicsociety.blogspot.co.uk/2018/04/marple-wharf-canal-river-trusts.html
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« Reply #94 on: April 23, 2018, 01:52:35 PM »
 The latest responce to Maple Wharf from civic society if on there website .

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« Reply #93 on: March 21, 2018, 03:56:39 PM »
Have just received a notification from the Council's Planners that amended plans have been submitted and these will be available on the portal in the next 5 to 7 days.

They are proposing another round of consultations with a deadline of 14 April 2018.

I can't see the new plans yet but will provide a link if I spot them.
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Re: Marple Wharf Development
« Reply #92 on: February 19, 2018, 09:58:22 PM »
Huge diggers on the site today... what’s going on?
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« Reply #91 on: February 19, 2018, 08:54:32 PM »
Huge diggers on the site today... what’s going on?

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« Reply #90 on: October 12, 2017, 05:05:04 PM »
Surprised, as I have been all to often in the past, by the bizarre collection of opinions this forum attracts when a very worthy cause presents itself.

So I presume Dave, amazon, etc you’re gleefully awaiting the “for sale” sign to go up on this residential conversion? And none of us will EVER be able to step inside? Why?! If you (clearly) don’t care about the building, why bother posting.

1000+ signatures don’t paint the same picture of public opinion...
you have had longernough to decide you want to step inside .

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« Reply #89 on: October 12, 2017, 12:24:52 PM »
So I presume Dave, amazon, etc you’re gleefully awaiting the “for sale” sign to go up on this residential conversion? And none of us will EVER be able to step inside? Why?! If you (clearly) don’t care about the building, why bother posting.

I've lived in Marple for (almost) all of my 43 yrs (had 4 years out in the middle somewhere). I've never stepped foot inside, nor am I aware of any opportunity to have ever stepped inside. I don't quite see what we're supposedly losing.

The building isn't being demolished, and it will have owners who have a vested interest in it's upkeep (as it'll literally be the roof over their heads). What's the problem here, other than, "change".

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« Reply #88 on: October 12, 2017, 08:11:48 AM »
Does that really mean the best financial deal? That would be insane.

Yes that is exactly what it means, and anyone who has ever been the trustee of a charity knows it perfectly well.  The same applies to public sector and semi-public sector bodies - local authorities, colleges, hospitals, academy schools etc.

So I presume Dave, amazon, etc you’re gleefully awaiting the “for sale” sign to go up on this residential conversion? And none of us will EVER be able to step inside? Why?! If you (clearly) don’t care about the building, why bother posting.

On the contrary, as I have said more than once in this thread, I would be delighted to see the building converted into a visitor centre.  The point I am making is that Marple Civic Society stated their intention back in 2010 to apply for Heritage Lottery funding to do exactly that (see http://www.marplecivicsociety.org.uk/A%20Vision%20for%20Marple_with%20front%20page%20picture_website.pdf), but then, as far as we can tell, they never got around to it.   Now someone else comes along with another scheme, which the society then tries to stop.

I think 'dog in a manger' is the phrase, isn't it?

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« Reply #87 on: October 11, 2017, 10:25:39 PM »
Surprised, as I have been all to often in the past, by the bizarre collection of opinions this forum attracts when a very worthy cause presents itself.

So I presume Dave, amazon, etc you’re gleefully awaiting the “for sale” sign to go up on this residential conversion? And none of us will EVER be able to step inside? Why?! If you (clearly) don’t care about the building, why bother posting.

1000+ signatures don’t paint the same picture of public opinion...

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« Reply #86 on: October 11, 2017, 09:55:46 PM »
By the way, I meant to ask, MCS said seven years ago that they were going to submit a Heritage Lottery Fund application for this scheme. Did they?
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Is this the group of individuals(MCS) answerable and accountable to nobody. Those who shout loudest...... It that who you mean Dave.

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« Reply #85 on: October 11, 2017, 08:15:16 PM »
By the way, I meant to ask, MCS said seven years ago that they were going to submit a Heritage Lottery Fund application for this scheme. Did they?
Notice you are still waiting for a reply Dave

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« Reply #84 on: October 11, 2017, 07:41:12 PM »
The relevant bit is this: 'Charity land sales and leases - legal requirements. The law says you must.. try to get the best deal for your charity'.

Does that really mean the best financial deal? That would be insane. Surely it must mean the best deal which promotes the aim of the charity. Anything else would be madness.

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« Reply #83 on: October 11, 2017, 06:29:01 PM »
By the way, I meant to ask, MCS said seven years ago that they were going to submit a Heritage Lottery Fund application for this scheme. Did they?

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« Reply #82 on: October 11, 2017, 05:29:03 PM »
The business plan has been formulated by a group of about ten people, led by Councillor Sue Ingham, and Marple Civic Society is heavily involved... Because of the attitude of CRT in demanding full residential value for the warehouse we don't want to release figures as we think they will just try to rubbish them and use them to get their planning consent.

If you have so little confidence in your plan that you dare not publish it then you can hardly expect anyone else to take it seriously!

There has been a suggestion that CRT can only 'dispose of assets at their full value'. However the proposed use is fully inline with their charitably status, so this consideration simply does not apply.

It's nothing to do with the compatibility of your proposed use with the CRT's charitable status.  See https://www.gov.uk/guidance/charity-land-and-property. The relevant bit is this: 'Charity land sales and leases - legal requirements. The law says you must.. try to get the best deal for your charity'. As I said before, there are ways round that. If you read on past that bit you'll see that charities can sell for less than full market value if they get the consent of the Charity Commission. And that can be done - I've done it myself - but you have to make a good case, supported by a viable business plan (not a secret one!), and you need key political supporters onside, including your MP and your local authority.

It would be great to see that historic building transformed into a visitor centre, but you need to make a powerful public case for it, and I think you may now have missed the moment, sadly.


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« Reply #81 on: October 11, 2017, 04:55:17 PM »
Sorry, didn't realise there was a reply...
1. The business plan has been formulated by a group of about ten people, led by Councillor Sue Ingham, and Marple Civic Society is heavily involved. It contains the sort of uses you would expect with cafe, heritage displays, community and exercise class meeting space. Many other similar facilities have been found to be viable in other parts of Britain, but obviously this depends on the purchase price. Because of the attitude of CRT in demanding full residential value for the warehouse we don't want to release figures as we think they will just try to rubbish them and use them to get their planning consent. We do still want to talk sensibly with them, but the planning application is a gun to our heads - how can any  community group work with an organisation that does this?
2. There has been a suggestion that CRT can only 'dispose of assets at their full value'. However the proposed use is fully inline with their charitably status, so this consideration simply does not apply. And in other cases CRT does collaborate with community groups. We are at a loss to explain why they are so intransigent with Marple apart from being desperate to make as much money as possible. Any ideas?
You are wasting your time .if you do manage to obtain the building you will strugle to make it pay its way .