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Re: Roman Bridge
« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2009, 08:11:32 PM »
Tiggy, please pass on my thanks to Peter for his efforts, I know it's a hard, demanding and thankless task to do that kind of work and I for one am glad of his efforts. Fingers crossed we continue to see more trails opened to more people
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Re: Roman Bridge
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2009, 06:37:28 PM »
Yes, I know riders have been using it which shows what an important route it is. Many riders have told me how very useful it is to them because they now have access to a greater network of bridleways. Actually SMBC knew it was being used and didn't have a problem with that. Saturday was the first day that we could arrange the official opening. I know I said horses  crossed the bridge for the first time after the ribbon was cut but this was a little poetic licence!!! I hope you will forgive me for that.

Peter Edwards, Chairman of SEABA has several bridleways which were never recorded as such but have always been used by riders. He is working hard to get them registered on the definitive map as bridleways. Interestingly, Roman Bridge was closed in 1977 for exactly this reason and it was the work of Peter, who found evidence of use and took it to a Public Enquiry in 2002, which has resulted in this wonderful conclusion.

Also there is a big problem on BW 56 on Mill Lane. Tarmac has been laid for half a mile which is unsuitable as a surface for bridleways. The matter is with the ombudsman and we eargerly await her judgement. There are only 12 bridleways in Marple so it is very important to look after them all

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Re: Roman Bridge
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2009, 11:46:31 AM »
......several horses walked across the bridge for the first time in 32 years..........There are other bridleways under threat in the Marple area.

As you say, it's great news, Tiggy.  To be a bit pedantic, actually riders started using the bridge again as soon as the bollards were removed a few weeks ago - and don't tell SMBC, but some of them are riding across rather than dismounting and leading their horses.   :o

By the way, which other bridleways are 'under threat'?

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Re: Roman Bridge
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2009, 11:28:36 AM »
Roman Bridge is officially open to horses - the champagne opening ceremony on Saturday 23 May 2009 was a joyous occasion indeed. Councillor Sue Ingham officially anounced the bridge open to horses and cyclists and after cutting the ribbon several horses walked across the bridge for the first time in 32 years. Peter Edwards, Chairman of SEABA was guest of honour; he has worked tirelessly for this and other bridleways in our area. Over thirty people witnessed the occasion inluding Sue Hogg, Chairman of the National Federation of Bridleways Associations, Bernard Sewart Proprietor of Roman Lakes Leisure Park and Chairman of Friends of Our Valley and several people who rode over the bridge prior to its closure in 1977.

Riders, cyclists and walkers can all now use this beautiful bridge to cross the River Goyt and access the wide network of bridleways on the east side of the river.

There are other bridleways under threat in the Marple area. You can help to support the work of SEABA in protecting them by becoming a member - Contact Peter Edwards 0161 430 8582

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Re: Roman Bridge
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2009, 10:06:02 AM »
Progress report: work has started already.  Mounting blocks are being constructed on either side of the bridge - the ones on the Strines side are almost complete.   :)

And those who are interested in the bridge may also be interested in this new organisation:  http://www.ourvalley.org.uk/index.htm

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Re: Roman Bridge
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2009, 09:15:41 PM »
Yes it is intersting. Surprise surprise, the ramblers assoc. being a bunch of NIMBYs as usual
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Re: Roman Bridge
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2009, 11:27:14 AM »
Thanks Mark, that is very interesting.

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Re: Roman Bridge
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2009, 09:09:12 AM »
COMMITTEE:          MARPLE AREA COMMITTEE
DATE:            04 March 2009
JOINT REPORT OF:    Service Directors (Legal & Property) and (Transportation & Planning)
CONTACT OFFICERS:      PaulParkinson/Ernest Nama
TELEPHONE NUMBER:      0161 474 3213 or

THE METROPOLITAN BOROUGH COUNCIL OF STOCKPORT (ROMAN BRIDGE, BRIDLEWAY 160, MARPLE) (REVOCATION)  ORDER 2009

Purpose of Report:The purpose of this report is to consider objections to the proposed Order

Recommendation:

To make the Order as advertised.

BACKGROUND PAPERS

The Background papers to this report are contained in the files of the Council Solicitor - Ref: 00010PH..6932. and of the Corporate Director of the Environment and Economy Directorate, Ref: 

 
   Agenda Item No.
   Date: 04 March 2009
MARPLE AREA COMMITTEE

THE METROPOLITAN BOROUGH COUNCIL OF STOCKPORT (ROMAN BRIDGE, BRIDLEWAY 160, MARPLE) (REVOCATION) ORDER 2009

Report of the Service Directors (Legal & Property) and
(Transportation & Planning)

1.   PURPOSE OF REPORT

1.1   The purpose of this report is to consider objections received regarding the above named Order

2.   OBJECTIONS

2.1    A total of three objections have been received.

2.2   Mr Peter J Forbes of Strawberry Hill, Marple states that he owns the land on the east bank of the River Goyt through which Footpath 161 passes after it has crossed the Goyt on the footbridge.

2.3   He objects to the revocation of the order, not because he objects to horses and cyclists using the bridge but because removal of the metal bollards on the east bank of the river will inevitably result in motorcyclists using the route.

2.4   Motorcyclists frequently come along past the Lakes heading for Strines and they tend to move fast and be noisy.   If a motorcyclist attempts to use the bridge whilst a horse and rider are on or near it a collision between the horse and motorcyclist may well occur and severe physical injuries may be caused.   Injuries may also be sustained by walkers and cyclists in the same way.

2.5   It is impossible to police the use of the bridge so it is best not to remove the bollards and to abandon the revocation of the 2003 Order in the safety of legitimate users of the bridge.   If some means can be found to allow passage of horses and cyclists whilst making it impossible for motorcyclists to cross then he would have no objection to the revocation of the 2003 Order.

2.6   Mrs A Cheetham lives at Lumn House on the west bank of the River Goyt.    She objects to the proposal to open Roman Bridge to use by horses on a number of grounds:

2.7   Public safety of both walkers and horse riders.   The bridge has previously been declared as structurally inadequate to support the weight of horses by a survey in 2003.   The bridge is very narrow and any attempt by horses and pedestrians to cross at the same time would have serious safety implications.    The bridge offers very little protection to riders if thrown from their horses whilst crossing.   An unseated rider would certainly fall into the river below no doubt causing serious injury to rider and potentially the horse.

2.8   Modifications to the bridge to overcome these problems would destroy the character and aesthetics of the bridge which she believes is a listed structure whose image is used in many local guides to promote the Marple Area.

2.9   Another concern is that by opening up the bridge to horses riders it will also make it accessible to motorcyclists.   Motorcyclists using trail bikes often use the Roman Lakes roads and she is concerned for safety reasons and also for the noise nuisance that opening up the bridge will increase the volume of this traffic which is incompatible with other users.

2.10   Another serious concern is the effect of horse traffic on the condition of the lane from Strines Road to Roman Bridge.   It is unadopted and already in a poor condition.   She is very concerned that regular use of the lane by horses will cause severe deterioration to the existing road surface.   It is a very rough track and the increased traffic may denude the surface to such an extent that cars will no longer be able to travel along it.   She has the right of vehicular access to her property and she does not consider it fair or appropriate that she should have to bear the extra cost of maintaining the lane so that it can support the traffic of horses.

2.11   She urges the Council to consider other options for the linkage of Strines Road to the Roman Lakes perhaps by the creation of an alternative and safer crossing which would better accommodate the needs of all parties.

2.12   The Marple and District Rambling Club, which has approximately 400 members, who collectively and individually walk across the Roman Bridge and the paths around it on a regular basis, object to the proposal.

2.13   The bridge is a local landmark which greatly adds to the visual amenity of the area.   Any changes to its appearance would be detrimental to this visual amenity and would destroy this delightful bridge which is enjoyed by local people and visitors.   It would be a travesty if any alterations or safety features, which have been allowed at the Iron Bridge in Brabyns Park, were allowed to be added to Roman Bridge.

2.14   They would prefer it to retain the prohibition for horses and cyclists on the grounds that:

-   the bridge and its approaches are too narrow for horses and pedestrians to pass each other in safety
-   the path from Lumn House is waterlogged and muddy and would become impassable were horses to be allowed to use it
-   the parapet of the bridge is hardly sufficient to protect a horse rider but any alteration would destroy the amenity of the bridge

2.15   If horse riders and cyclists need to be able to ride from Strines Road to Strawberry Hill by the shortest route then the path must be upgraded and an additional crossing point provided as promised in 2003 when the bridleway prohibition was granted.   
        
3.   THE VIEWS OF THE COUNCIL’S SENIOR RIGHTS OF WAY OFFICER


3.1   The Council’s Senior Rights of Way Officer has considered the objections made and has made the following comments:- 

3.2   The route in question is a bridleway and pedestrians; equestrians and cyclists have an equal right to use it.  It is the responsibility of Stockport MBC to ensure that bridleway surfaces are properly maintained and not the discretion of local residents to determine who uses bridleways to ensure that the surface is not damaged.

3.3   Safety on the bridge has been assessed and a notice will be erected to inform all equestrians and cyclists to dismount before crossing the bridge.  Neither equestrians nor cyclists will be allowed to cross the bridge without dismounting.  The danger of such group falling over the railings into the stream will be reduced.

3.4   The aesthetic structure of the bridge will not be altered because no structural work will be carried out.  Only mounting blocks and warning signs will be constructed in that location

3.5   Warning signs to discourage the use by motorcyclists will be erected and the Council will explore ways of ensuring that such traffic is excluded.


4.   RECOMMENDATION


4.1   That the Order be made as advertised.

Background papers

The Background papers to this report are contained in the files of the Council Solicitor File Ref: 00010PH - 6932 and in the files of the Corporate Director of the Environment and Economy Directorate
 
Anyone wishing to inspect the background papers or to discuss the content of the report should contact Paul Parkinson; telephone 0161 474 3213 or Ernest Nama telephone 474 4850.
Mark Whittaker
The Marple Website

Dave

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Re: Roman Bridge
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2009, 08:44:45 AM »
Does anyone know what the objections were?

Tiggy

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Re: Roman Bridge
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2009, 11:57:53 AM »
In order to revoke the Traffic Regulation Order to allow horses and cyclists to use the bridge again there was a three week statutory public consultation to which there were three objectors. All the objections raised were dealt with in the report which was accepted and agreed by our six councillors. The bridge will be reopened very soon.

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Re: Roman Bridge
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2009, 02:37:36 PM »
How strange. I can't see what there is to object to.  And as I'm away at the moment, I can't go along to the meeting to find out.

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Re: Roman Bridge
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2009, 01:48:33 PM »
I have just been informed by a member of the Mellor Heritage Group that there is a council meeting at Marple Library this evening at 18:00. Amongst the items on the agenda is;

A report on objections received to the proposed revocation of the Order preventing dismounted horses and cyclists using Roman Bridge.

Unfortunately I cannot make it but it might be on interest if anyone has the time.


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Re: Roman Bridge
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2009, 03:04:59 PM »
Thanks for sharing with us that interesting background inforrmation, Tiggy.  It has obviously been a long and difficult process of negotiation, but it's good that we have an eventual outcome which restores the bridge to its original use, and which also preserves its attractive structure and appearance.   As you say, common sense at last!    :)

Tiggy

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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2009, 01:01:08 PM »
I used Roman Bridge regularly on horseback for 10 years prior to its closure in 1977. After 32 years and a belt and braces assessment by SMBC they are planning to lift the TRO restriction to allow horses to use the bridge again. To get to this point the journey has been long and tortuous and every aspect of strength and safety has been thoroughly analysed by experts. These are the facts:
• 2002 – Public enquiry rules the Roman Bridge is a bridleway
• 2007 – SMBC under court order to reopen Roman Bridge to horses within 2 years
• 2008 – The following experts testify that ancient structures do not have to comply with present day guidelines and
             dimensions in order to open them to the public:
             The Highways Agency (HA), The British Horse Society (BHS), Byways and Bridleways Trust (BBT),    
             English Heritage (EH), National Federation of Bridleways Association (NFBA).
• 2008 – Structural survey carried out by Giffords Engineering Consultancy who are recognised national experts in single span Masonry
            Arch Bridges. They have issued a certificate stating that Roman Bridge is strong enough for horses.
• 2008 – BBT state that there are no recorded accidents involving horses on this or any other packhorse bridge in the country of which
            many are bridleways and still used by horses
• 2008 - BHS testify that Roman Bridge is suitable for horses to use from a safety aspect

In a nutshell, the evidence fulfils the criteria for what English Heritage refers to as the ‘fit for purpose’ principle. Therefore, without any alterations, there are no grounds for keeping the bridge closed any longer. At last, common sense prevails.

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Re: Roman Bridge
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2009, 09:50:22 AM »
I asked a Rights of Way officer at SMBC whether the handrails on the bridge would have to be replaced by a higher rail or parapet, to meet with the requirements for bridleway bridges, and I received the following reply:

'All cyclists and equestrians MUST dismount before crossing Roman Bridge as agreed by all the working parties during discussions. That was the final recommendation made which makes any height adjustments irrelevant given the heritage status of the bridge. Only a single led horse can cross the bridge at a time.'

So that's OK then, and as you say, Mark, a great result.    :)