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Hazel Grove Elections May 2015 / Re: Wheels votes for Ed Miliband
« Last post by Bowden Guy on February 25, 2015, 05:08:10 PM »
Charming, as usual, and as correct as your assertion that you are a member of the Labour Party.
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Recommended Pubs & Restaurants / Re: Travellers' Call up for auction on 26 February 2015
« Last post by ringi on February 25, 2015, 05:04:35 PM »
Why does Marple need so many pubs?

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Hazel Grove Elections May 2015 / Wheels votes for Ed Miliband
« Last post by wheels on February 25, 2015, 03:19:06 PM »
I have lived in Marple for 14 years and have had more visits, in this period of time, from the Jehova Witnesses (3) than political canvassers (0). Love to know what these 800 people are up to.

Generally they don't bother with known timewasters
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Hazel Grove Elections May 2015 / Re: Michael Taylor to fight Hazel Grove for Labour
« Last post by wheels on February 25, 2015, 03:18:03 PM »
Well Wee Willy Wraggs (www) last leaflet was delivered commercially c/o Ashcrofts money indicating a lack of local workers.
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Hazel Grove Elections May 2015 / Re: Michael Taylor to fight Hazel Grove for Labour
« Last post by Dave on February 25, 2015, 01:49:26 PM »
I think they just push leaflets though doors - no shortage of those at the moment! 
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Hazel Grove Elections May 2015 / Re: Michael Taylor to fight Hazel Grove for Labour
« Last post by Bowden Guy on February 25, 2015, 01:44:45 PM »
I have lived in Marple for 14 years and have had more visits, in this period of time, from the Jehova Witnesses (3) than political canvassers (0). Love to know what these 800 people are up to.
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Hazel Grove Elections May 2015 / Re: Michael Taylor to fight Hazel Grove for Labour
« Last post by wheels on February 25, 2015, 01:26:07 PM »
Generally speaking you need between 800 and 1000 members/workers to deliver a victory in a genuinely contested election. I suspect neither Labour nor UKIP have anything like that in HG and what they do have will be pulled away to more significant seats to them.  Neither are relevant to this election.
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Recommended Pubs & Restaurants / Re: Travellers' Call up for auction on 26 February 2015
« Last post by Dave on February 25, 2015, 12:20:03 PM »
From a purely practical point of view I drive past the Travellers every evening and when it was still open, if there was one person in there they were lucky. It begs the question if people want to save it where the customers are going to come from? If they don't have support from local residents they haven't a cat in hell's chance of succeeding.

Good point, but experience elsewhere suggests that community pub buyouts can work in revitalising seemingly moribund pubs, through a mixture of galvanising local support and putting in a more responsive management which transforms it into the kind of pub that local people actually want. 

It would be very sad to see it die - after all, it's not that long since there were two pubs opposite one another up there! 
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Hazel Grove Elections May 2015 / Re: Michael Taylor to fight Hazel Grove for Labour
« Last post by Dave on February 25, 2015, 12:13:04 PM »
As Harry says, it may not be the same story at the general election, but all the same, that's a thought-provoking pie chart! 

The turnout at the euro elections was only about 35%, AFAIK, and maybe there's was a disproportionately high number of UKIP supporters among those who bothered to vote, as they are the people who have the strongest opinions about the EU.  But this certainly lends strength to the bookies' view that UKIP will come ahead of Labour in Hazel Grove.   
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Family Ties / Re: John Bowden in 1823 Marple
« Last post by AlexBowden on February 25, 2015, 12:11:14 PM »
I'm replying to a very old post here.   But even if John has already solved this issue, it may be of interest to others searching that find this page.

So, John, you're right to be suspicious.  If you check the 1861 census then you'll get even more suspicious.  Because in that census Thomas' age is given as 61 and Sarah's as 62.

Now would any woman who is 2 or 3 years younger than her husband ever give her age as a year older than him?  I've seen enough cases of the inverse, to claim to be younger, but older, really...   This isn't just forgetting, or rounding that only applies to to the 1841 census.  It's just plain unlikely.

Especially when there is another Sarah Broadhurst that was born in Marple in 1799 which resolves the issue.

Now the consensus view of existing family trees on Ancestry all favour the same Sarah Broadhurst that you chose.  But I am convinced that they are wrong.  The problem is this.

If you search for Sarah Broadhurst, 1799, Stockport, Cheshire (as the marriage certificate) or Marple, Cheshire, then you won't find her.

Because though she was born in Marple, she was baptised in Marple Bridge, Derbyshire at the Mill Brow independent church on 22 Feb 1799.  Her family home was Owl Clough, or Old Clough at the south end of Marple.

Further more the index that Ancestry uses has her name as Broadhirst with an I, not a U,  and misleadingly lists her father as Broadhirst.

All of this is enough to throw off the the always taciturn Ancestry search mechanism,  even if you do make it through to the non com registers.

However there is a third party transcription of the whole register available which lists the father as blank.   Mary Broadhurst was her Mother's name.  And not to put too fine a point on it, I believe that her mother was born a Broadhurst and never married!  The transcript also specifies Sarah's place of birth as Marple on 2 Jan 1799.

Just to tie the whole thing together, each of Thomas and Sarah's first 5 children including John (your ancestor) and Charles (my ancestor) where also baptised at Mill Brow independent in Marple Bridge, Derbyshire. In each case it specifies place of birth as Marple, and in a couple of cases specifies Old or Owl Clough, Marple.

Finally note that the whole of the Mill Brow baptism register only lists 6 Bowdens but 147 Bodens.  I think all of the above entries are listed as Boden, but I think that this is simply the minister's preference.

Old or Owl Clough is now a well preserved listed building.  Immediately adjacent to the house there is a (listed) road bridge over the Macclesfield Canal which is actually called Broadhurst's Bridge.

Maybe John Bowden found all this years ago,  But I hope it is useful to some future seeker.
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