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May 2016 Local Elections & Council Matters / Re: Elections 2016
« Last post by Hoffnung on April 29, 2016, 04:06:36 PM »
I think it was Theresa May who branded her party as the "nasty party" (better than in the Victorian era when they were branded the "stupid party", which to modern ears sounds just rude) but these are all national monikers.  Nationally the Conservatives (whether on Social Services, Europe, or Forced School Academies) are having big internal difficulties. and this week Labour are having a spot of trouble with anti-Semitism.    But I've never heard anyone call us the nasty party in the Lib Dems.  A first, @Condate !  Any evidence for that?

As you said this is a local election and traditionally that is where we've been strong. 

As Geoff has mentioned National, I'll comment.

The problem with the libdems is that they are well meaning but for some reason throughout the years they have been proven to have no judgement. From Lloyd George through to David Steel onto Nick Clegg this has proven to be the case. Example after example of their stumbles could be recited,but it would serve no purpose and they wouldn't own up to their mistakes anyway, as that is another libdem trait, their blatant self delusion. Councillor Geoff (honest and nice guy that he seems to be) talks of 'internal difficulties' and a 'spot of trouble' in the Conservative and Labour Party. Geoff, you've got 8 MP's, you had 57. That is 86% of you MPs wiped out. You couldn't be any more in trouble Nationally if you tried. Forget the Tories and Labour consider your own position.

Geoff is it true The first libdem was King Canute ?
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May 2016 Local Elections & Council Matters / Re: Elections 2016
« Last post by JMC on April 29, 2016, 02:22:53 PM »
But I couldn't vote for a local candidate knowing that they support such awful policies eg
 removing benefits for disabled people, dismantling the NHS, denying suffering children into the country, scrapping tax credits for the working poor, nhs bursaries for nurses etc. I have seen the impact in universities and NHS.

Eg let's say I though John Bates was the best locally, as far as I have seen he supports all the above. Never seen anything against it or any social media. I wiuld be more inclined to vote for someone if they were against at least some of these hideous policies! William Wragg voted for all the above too. Therefore, I wouldn't be able to vote for him.

Yes all parties can have awful policies but this lot have been especially nasty and are alienating many of the public. I see many more people put off by them than in the past.

I haven't seen anything nasty from the other parties to the degree of the Tories. So am not sure why there is so much venom against the Lib Dems etc on this site. 
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  I collected my copy of The Red Hat Guide and also met the author Kevin Dowling.  He was really helpful with tips for my sightseeing trip with family arriving today and the book is a straightforward and comprehensive guide to places of interest. The family is a mixed age group so we'll see how they fare on this walkabout next week. More to come.
....Well we managed to do the tour of Manchester midweek and fell lucky with the weather for most of the day.  The Red Hat Guide was excellent and twinned with my earlier conversation with the author KC Dowling we managed to see most of the historical sites in the book.  My Canadian relatives loved the old backstreet pubs and atmosphere and the guide gave us the historical information which made the tour so interesting.  Highly recommend this guide even if you think you know Manchester!
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Geoff,

You must be the only poster/reader on this website who doesn't actually know the real identity of Wheels. We just don't say anything about it and we allow him to think that he's incognito.


Thanks - everyone has now told me!  We try to preserve the air of anonymity - except for the political aspirants.  Which is a bit sad really. 

I am interested if @corium gets something out of it.  I've had to know a lot more financial detail since being elected.  I suspect Kevin had even more exposure when he was a LD exec member, so he knows what he's talking about.     
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May 2016 Local Elections & Council Matters / Re: Elections 2016
« Last post by Dave on April 29, 2016, 11:35:00 AM »
I think it was Theresa May who branded her party as the "nasty party"

.... and they don't get much nastier than this:  http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/refugee-crisis-faces-some-thousands-children-who-have-fled-conflict-zones-1557297

If we still had the 2010 - 15 coalition, those children would be safe by now. 
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May 2016 Local Elections & Council Matters / Re: Elections 2016
« Last post by CllrGeoffAbell on April 29, 2016, 11:20:43 AM »
I think it was Theresa May who branded her party as the "nasty party" (better than in the Victorian era when they were branded the "stupid party", which to modern ears sounds just rude) but these are all national monikers.  Nationally the Conservatives (whether on Social Services, Europe, or Forced School Academies) are having big internal difficulties. and this week Labour are having a spot of trouble with anti-Semitism.    But I've never heard anyone call us the nasty party in the Lib Dems.  A first, @Condate !  Any evidence for that?

As you said this is a local election and traditionally that is where we've been strong. 
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May 2016 Local Elections & Council Matters / Re: Elections 2016
« Last post by Condate on April 29, 2016, 08:27:14 AM »
I hope you are wrong. Who keeps voting for such a nasty party?

Nasty party? Oh, you mean the Lib Dems!  Of course which party you consider nasty depends very much on your point of view. Personally, I'd consider the Lib Dems one of the nastiest parties around, although that has little to do with local politics. Obviously there are people who consider the Conservative or Labour parties nasty.

None of this should matter in the local election, as we should be concentrating on what the candidates say. I do wonder how differently the election would turn out if we either got rid of the party labels and nobody knew which party each candidate stood for, of if we randomly shuffled the party labels for the candidates. The views of the candidates wouldn't change, but I expect the votes would. They shouldn't of course, as we should be voting on the views of the candidates; not the party labels.
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May 2016 Local Elections & Council Matters / Re: Elections 2016
« Last post by JMC on April 28, 2016, 11:53:37 PM »
I hope you are wrong. Who keeps voting for such a nasty party?
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May 2016 Local Elections & Council Matters / Re: Elections 2016
« Last post by amazon on April 28, 2016, 08:45:58 PM »
Just to let you know I am still here. I've been spending my time talking face to face to residents, and attending a wide variety of volunteer and community groups. I work as a volunteer at 4 parks and help with two others and attend around 4 other groups regularly, some working getting my hands dirty, some on committees. It's a good way to listen to the things people think are important and doing it face to face allows a proper dialogue.  As an observation I see, occasionally only one of the other candidates at any of these meetings and working parties, so we are clearly approaching it from a different angle. I've knocked on doors every week since January, and will continue to do so, and I've had a large number of e-mail exchanges direct from residents, visiting them and happily been solving some of their issues. Two yesterday for example. Most of you will know about the major survey we've done on car parking in Marple Bridge, and circulated some concrete proposals to all who contributed. I personally went to see every business in Town Street and talked to them, and more people besides. I'm leading a lottery grant application for another group. That's why I'm in this; to help local people and contribute to the community in Marple, by actually doing things and by being engaged with all people locally and as much as I can to do that face to face, going to see them. And I still do my Junior cricket coaching and my free maths tuition for GCSE, plus my free employment tribunal and legal advisory work.
And you were a good cricketer yourself .i played with you .
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