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Local Community => Local Issues => Sale of Hibbert Lane Campus to Supermarket Chain => Topic started by: Miss Marple on October 02, 2011, 08:58:36 PM

Title: Marple Between the Wars by Carl Cieka
Post by: Miss Marple on October 02, 2011, 08:58:36 PM
A local resident has sent us new lyrics to the tune of Billy Brags Between the Wars.  I think the new lyrics are fantastic and gives a concerning picture of what Marple maybe come if CAMSFC continues with their ridiculas proposals.  
As I have mentioned before I am IT illiterate and could possibly now cut and paste but could not take out personal details off the email as I have become very lazy using an iPad  >:(   Can someone help ?
Title: Re: Marple Between the Wars by Carl Cieka
Post by: admin on October 02, 2011, 09:31:31 PM
Carl was impressed to learn that I went to school with Billy Bragg and I'm mentioned in his biography. I've asked him (Carl) to see if he can record it for posting to Youtube and look forward to hearing how it sounds.

Between The Wars
Music – Billy Bragg   Words – Carl Cieka © 2011


Mark was a landlord
John was a butcher
Dan owned the Toast Café down Derby Way
There was a Pink Parrot but they held a big carrot
To bribe all the Governors to get their own way
 There was a bakers too, Toymaster and a loo
Florist and fishmonger all swept aside
They knocked down the college door
To build a mega-store
We’re fighting for our small town
Between the wars


I went to the swimming pool
They laughed and said “You fool”
“Stockport Road is now a dual carriage way”
Where once was a surgery now there’s a KFC
And Little Chef provides breakfast, dinner and tea
There was a health food shop
Hollins to buy a mop
Buckets and spades are now down aisle 93
Where once stood The Golden Plate
And The Icing On The Cake
Now stands a McDonalds and a Costa Coffee


So call out the craftsman
Bring me the draughtsman
Build me a town for cradle to grave
And I’ll give my consent to any Government
That stands by its people against the corporate way
Go find the young men arm them with sword and pen
Unfurl the banners and we’ll march side by side
We’ll dance on the college floor
Now hear our voices roar
The people of Marple say NO to your mega-store
Title: Re: Marple Between the Wars by Carl Cieka
Post by: mum_of_2 on October 02, 2011, 11:54:13 PM
Carl was impressed to learn that I went to school with Billy Bragg and I'm mentioned in his biography. I've asked him (Carl) to see if he can record it for posting to Youtube and look forward to hearing how it sounds.

Between The Wars
Music – Billy Bragg   Words – Carl Cieka © 2011


Mark was a landlord
John was a butcher
Dan owned the Toast Café down Derby Way
There was a Pink Parrot but they held a big carrot
To bribe all the Governors to get their own way
 There was a bakers too, Toymaster and a loo
Florist and fishmonger all swept aside
They knocked down the college door
To build a mega-store
We’re fighting for our small town
Between the wars


I went to the swimming pool
They laughed and said “You fool”
“Stockport Road is now a dual carriage way”
Where once was a surgery now there’s a KFC
And Little Chef provides breakfast, dinner and tea
There was a health food shop
Hollins to buy a mop
Buckets and spades are now down aisle 93
Where once stood The Golden Plate
And The Icing On The Cake
Now stands a McDonalds and a Costa Coffee


So call out the craftsman
Bring me the draughtsman
Build me a town for cradle to grave
And I’ll give my consent to any Government
That stands by its people against the corporate way
Go find the young men arm them with sword and pen
Unfurl the banners and we’ll march side by side
We’ll dance on the college floor
Now hear our voices roar
The people of Marple say NO to your mega-store
.  Wow.....
Shame not all the people say no.
And where did they get the idea of a mac d's? Genious!!
Unfortunatly sarcasm doesnt come accross in writing...
Title: Re: Marple Between the Wars by Carl Cieka
Post by: Miss Marple on October 03, 2011, 12:36:05 AM
Mum of two that's not nice and not really acceptable, because the lyrics Carl has put together are for MIA and supporters of the NO campaign who will agree I am sure that the words are very meaningful if CAMSFC continue with their proposals.  I have asked for this to be put on the site and Carl has agreed so please show some respect to someone who is assisting and supporting the NO campaign.
Title: Re: Marple Between the Wars by Carl Cieka
Post by: moonforest on October 03, 2011, 05:46:47 AM
Brilliant!

"Build me a town from cradle to grave".....what a nightmare vision from hell to leave for future generations.
Title: Re: Marple Between the Wars by Carl Cieka
Post by: mum_of_2 on October 03, 2011, 06:18:45 AM
Mum of two that's not nice and not really acceptable, because the lyrics Carl has put together are for MIA and supporters of the NO campaign who will agree I am sure that the words are very meaningful if CAMSFC continue with their proposals.  I have asked for this to be put on the site and Carl has agreed so please show some respect to someone who is assisting and supporting the NO campaign.
i applauded carl for taking the time to do write it....but mac d's and kfc? I dont think so. I know hes only putting a view of what he 'thinks' will happen......but i just dont think marple will suffer as badly as you all think
Title: Re: Marple Between the Wars by Carl Cieka
Post by: Miss Marple on October 04, 2011, 01:17:05 PM
Brilliant!

"Build me a town from cradle to grave".....what a nightmare vision from hell to leave for future generations.

Let's hope it's a utube hit to get the message across  !
Title: Re: Marple Between the Wars by Carl Cieka
Post by: Miss Marple on October 04, 2011, 01:40:48 PM
Mum of two that's not nice and not really acceptable, because the lyrics Carl has put together are for MIA and supporters of the NO campaign who will agree I am sure that the words are very meaningful if CAMSFC continue with their proposals.  I have asked for this to be put on the site and Carl has agreed so please show some respect to someone who is assisting and supporting the NO campaign.
i applauded carl for taking the time to do write it....but mac d's and kfc? I dont think so. I know hes only putting a view of what he 'thinks' will happen......but i just dont think marple will suffer as badly as you all think

That's your view that Marple will not suffer and Carl has an alternative view in which he feels it will !
Title: Re: Marple Between the Wars by Carl Cieka
Post by: mum_of_2 on October 04, 2011, 02:13:59 PM
Mum of two that's not nice and not really acceptable, because the lyrics Carl has put together are for MIA and supporters of the NO campaign who will agree I am sure that the words are very meaningful if CAMSFC continue with their proposals.  I have asked for this to be put on the site and Carl has agreed so please show some respect to someone who is assisting and supporting the NO campaign.
i applauded carl for taking the time to do write it....but mac d's and kfc? I dont think so. I know hes only putting a view of what he 'thinks' will happen......but i just dont think marple will suffer as badly as you all think
That's your view that Marple will not suffer and Carl has an alternative view in which he feels it will !
well we all have different views....nobody will know for sure until the supermarket does come....
im not going to get into a debate about it, i know my views, nobody will change it.

Title: Re: Marple Between the Wars by Carl Cieka
Post by: Dave on October 04, 2011, 02:54:12 PM
Despite the fact that I don't believe a word of it, I must admit Carl's rewrite of Billy Bragg is absolutely brilliant!   :)
Title: Re: Marple Between the Wars by Carl Cieka
Post by: Miss Marple on October 04, 2011, 06:53:53 PM
I agree I can not wait to hear it put to music ! 
Title: Re: Marple Between the Wars by Carl Cieka
Post by: Henry_ on October 05, 2011, 10:22:17 PM
Well done on the song lyrics, but there is absolutely zero evidence that a supermarket on Hibbert Lane would sound the death knell of the town centre in favour of more big chains.

In fact when you look at the likes of Glossop, Whaley, Buxton etc you could come the conclusion that the opposite outcome would come about.
Title: Re: Marple Between the Wars by Carl Cieka
Post by: admin on October 14, 2011, 07:00:24 AM
Well he's done it and it is brilliant! Well done Carl! I've broken out all the posts I could find relating to this into a separate thread.

A tongue-in-cheek reworking of Billy Bragg's Between the Wars by Carl Cieka in protest at the Plans of Cheadle and Marple Sixth Form College to sell their Hibbert Lane Campus for development as a supermarket. (http://boomp3.com/mp3/52utdy9oytg-between-the-wars%28words-carl-cieka-music-billy-bragg%29)

Also on the Marple in Action Facebook page here: http://www.facebook.com/marpleinaction
Title: Re: Marple Between the Wars by Carl Cieka
Post by: Tina on October 14, 2011, 07:53:47 AM
very good! I like it.
Title: Re: Marple Between the Wars by Carl Cieka
Post by: marple_syrup on October 14, 2011, 10:53:46 AM
Well done on the song lyrics, but there is absolutely zero evidence that a supermarket on Hibbert Lane would sound the death knell of the town centre in favour of more big chains.

In fact when you look at the likes of Glossop, Whaley, Buxton etc you could come the conclusion that the opposite outcome would come about.

Oh yeah, because Glossop is just like Marple isn't it?  The town centre isn't what it was, and I don't need you to tell me that some old bloke there thinks it's better because I used to go there a lot.  The traffic is appalling and the Tesco was swiftly followed by KFC, Next etc... Are you serious that you think it's a better place than it was? 

And Mum Of 2, I'm going to start calling myself Dad Of 2, only a Dad who cares what the place his kids grow up in is like, and doesn't want to gamble that to save a fiver a week on shopping.
Do you think you'll save enough by the time your kids are teens to compensate them for their pleasant place to live changing?  I always thought that as parents we stretch ourselves so that our kids can have better?  You seem to think that the money you can save at a big spermarket is the only factor worth considering, and are happy to bury your head in the sand and pretend everyone else is talking nonsense without basis, because HWL says Glossop is better... Sorry, but living in Marple not Glossop is worth more to me and the future of my kids than whatever you can save at Tesco - which, by the way, I'm not convinced is particularly much.
You can come back with 'but the college needs the money' as much as you want, but £12m isn't as much as it seems and  the college hasn't got much chance in my opinion if it sells the Hibbert Lane site.
The song is good, and we know your opinion already, not quite sure why you need to interject again to tell us after the song lyrics were posted.
You are right, you will never truly know about the effects until the supermarket is built.  But when it is built, lord knows you won't have a prayer of going back to how Marple was.
Title: Re: Marple Between the Wars by Carl Cieka
Post by: danny on October 14, 2011, 11:49:05 AM
I think people are also forgeting that the glossop town centre is a ways away from the tesco superstore. the store was also built on what I belive to be an old factory/mill.
Title: Re: Marple Between the Wars by Carl Cieka
Post by: Howard on October 14, 2011, 12:43:56 PM
Well he's done it and it is brilliant! Well done Carl! I've broken out all the posts I could find relating to this into a separate thread.

A tongue-in-cheek reworking of Billy Bragg's Between the Wars by Carl Cieka in protest at the Plans of Cheadle and Marple Sixth Form College to sell their Hibbert Lane Campus for development as a supermarket. (http://boomp3.com/mp3/52utdy9oytg-between-the-wars%28words-carl-cieka-music-billy-bragg%29)

Also on the Marple in Action Facebook page here: http://www.facebook.com/marpleinaction

Pretty good! I actually have Billy Bragg's EP from 1985 somewhere in the house.
Title: Re: Marple Between the Wars by Carl Cieka
Post by: tricky on October 14, 2011, 02:45:06 PM
I love Billy Bragg.

anyhow.. I've been tinkering myself and have been thinking about a re-write of the Smiths' song Panic

(I'll probably spare you the recording)

Panic on the streets ‘round Hibbert Lane
Panic on the Marple forum again
I wonder to myself
Could life ever be sane again ?
The tired old high street that you shop down?
I wonder to myself
Witch-hunt with an added spread of fear
‘Big shoppers’, you're not welcome here
So you run down
To the stores of another town
But there's Panic on the streets of Waterside
Woodville, Lyme Grove, Mount Drive
I wonder to myself

Will there be a Tesco?
Will it kill the high street?
Because the plans of which are constantly referred
SAY NOTHING BECAUSE THEY DON’T YET EXIST
Hang the blessed principle
Because the rumour they constantly say


On the Marple side-streets that you slip down
Provincial town you jog 'round
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Title: Re: Marple Between the Wars by Carl Cieka
Post by: Henry_ on October 14, 2011, 04:40:45 PM
Well done on the song lyrics, but there is absolutely zero evidence that a supermarket on Hibbert Lane would sound the death knell of the town centre in favour of more big chains.

In fact when you look at the likes of Glossop, Whaley, Buxton etc you could come the conclusion that the opposite outcome would come about.

Oh yeah, because Glossop is just like Marple isn't it?  The town centre isn't what it was, and I don't need you to tell me that some old bloke there thinks it's better because I used to go there a lot.  The traffic is appalling and the Tesco was swiftly followed by KFC, Next etc... Are you serious that you think it's a better place than it was? 

And Mum Of 2, I'm going to start calling myself Dad Of 2, only a Dad who cares what the place his kids grow up in is like, and doesn't want to gamble that to save a fiver a week on shopping.
Do you think you'll save enough by the time your kids are teens to compensate them for their pleasant place to live changing?  I always thought that as parents we stretch ourselves so that our kids can have better?  You seem to think that the money you can save at a big spermarket is the only factor worth considering, and are happy to bury your head in the sand and pretend everyone else is talking nonsense without basis, because HWL says Glossop is better... Sorry, but living in Marple not Glossop is worth more to me and the future of my kids than whatever you can save at Tesco - which, by the way, I'm not convinced is particularly much.
You can come back with 'but the college needs the money' as much as you want, but £12m isn't as much as it seems and  the college hasn't got much chance in my opinion if it sells the Hibbert Lane site.
The song is good, and we know your opinion already, not quite sure why you need to interject again to tell us after the song lyrics were posted.
You are right, you will never truly know about the effects until the supermarket is built.  But when it is built, lord knows you won't have a prayer of going back to how Marple was.


I never said Glossop was better, just that it's town centre has hardly been decimated by an out of centre supermarket (which Daniel has thankfully also underlined in a subsequent post). Fear of change is a very natural human emotion.
Title: Re: Marple Between the Wars by Carl Cieka
Post by: Miss Marple on October 14, 2011, 05:11:11 PM
Fantastic Carl !  Well done !  I am a Billy Bragg fan and think you have really done it justice.  Hey Billy would be proud of you.   Is it on tube yet ?
Title: Re: Marple Between the Wars by Carl Cieka
Post by: admin on October 14, 2011, 05:28:51 PM
Fantastic Carl !  Well done !  I am a Billy Bragg fan and think you have really done it justice.  Hey Billy would be proud of you.   Is it on tube yet ?

It's not a video, just audio, so it can't go on youtube. I've been talking to someone about adding it as a soundtrack to some video and if that turns out to be possible then it can go on.

Title: Re: Marple Between the Wars by Carl Cieka
Post by: NeilCorrie on October 15, 2011, 10:18:20 AM
Popped a copy of it on YouTube, with pics added.  Thanks to Carl for a great reworking of the Billy Bragg classic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rez28ZS89dY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rez28ZS89dY)
Title: Re: Marple Between the Wars by Carl Cieka
Post by: admin on October 15, 2011, 10:51:23 AM
Well done Neil - interesting that the Costa Coffee is coming true already - maybe the lyrics are not so far-fetched afterall!

It's now on the Facebook page and will go on the MiA site shortly.
Title: Re: Marple Between the Wars by Carl Cieka
Post by: JMC on October 15, 2011, 11:25:56 AM
I love Billy Bragg.

anyhow.. I've been tinkering myself and have been thinking about a re-write of the Smiths' song Panic

(I'll probably spare you the recording)

Panic on the streets ‘round Hibbert Lane
Panic on the Marple forum again
I wonder to myself
Could life ever be sane again ?
The tired old high street that you shop down?
I wonder to myself
Witch-hunt with an added spread of fear
‘Big shoppers’, you're not welcome here
So you run down
To the stores of another town
But there's Panic on the streets of Waterside
Woodville, Lyme Grove, Mount Drive
I wonder to myself

Will there be a Tesco?
Will it kill the high street?
Because the plans of which are constantly referred
SAY NOTHING BECAUSE THEY DON’T YET EXIST
Hang the blessed principle
Because the rumour they constantly say


On the Marple side-streets that you slip down
Provincial town you jog 'round
Sign the survey, Sign the survey, Sign the survey
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I like that one, well done  :)
Title: Re: Marple Between the Wars by Carl Cieka
Post by: Miss Marple on October 15, 2011, 01:47:56 PM
Well done Neil and Carl it's great ! 
Title: Re: Marple Between the Wars by Carl Cieka
Post by: Jay on October 20, 2011, 02:32:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rez28ZS89dY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rez28ZS89dY)

Here it is if it hasn't been posted before!

Love it!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Marple Between the Wars by Carl Cieka
Post by: tricky on November 02, 2012, 01:10:40 PM
Just bumping this..

You can hear this protest song performed LIVE tonight..

Evening of Music and Laughter.
(All proceeds to the MIA fighting fund)

Details below

(http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4666.0;attach=362;image)