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Title: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Henry_ on September 07, 2011, 11:06:09 AM
The issue about the gifted land being sold off is surely a red herring too, if MIA are indeed happy for it to be sold for housing?

And we're not talking about a few pennies being saved on a tin of beans as a reason for being in favour of a supermarket, we are talking about potential savings of £100s or even £1000s of pounds (when taking into account transport costs) for Marple's hard pushed residents.
Title: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: jethroh65 on September 07, 2011, 01:36:22 PM
The issue about the gifted land being sold off is surely a red herring too, if MIA are indeed happy for it to be sold for housing?

And we're not talking about a few pennies being saved on a tin of beans as a reason for being in favour of a supermarket, we are talking about potential savings of £100s or even £1000s of pounds (when taking into account transport costs) for Marple's hard pushed residents.
HWL1973

How many people are going to save thousands of pounds a year by having a new supermarket on Hibbert Lane ?

People who walk & do all their weekly shopping at the Co-op would make a big saving I agree.

But how many people who drive to other stores in the area will suddenly abandon their cars and carry 10 bags of
shopping to the various parts of the Marple Area?

Given that the alternative supermarkets people use are say an average 5 miles away total journey = 10 miles.
If you say it costs 20p a mile for petrol for example that would equate to £2 a journey x 52 = £104.

Based people a weekly shop and not accounting for the many people who do their shopping on the way home
from work. The new supermarket would dramatically increase the traffic around Marple.

Also how many dedicate Tesco Club Card or Sainsbury’s Nectar Card Holders would suddenly switch their
weekly shop to Asda ?

So if you are going to castigate people for quoting people for quoting misleading information you should
do likewise.

I feel personally there are people who would benefit from a new supermarket, but the majority of people
will who would choose to a new supermarket on Hibbert Lane would only save the £2 a week.

I personally would happily forego the £2 a week saving, rather than have the increased traffic and to
stop the detrimental effect it would have on the centre of Marple.

But I suppose it all depends what your priorities are in Life !!!!
Title: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Henry_ on September 07, 2011, 01:46:24 PM
The issue about the gifted land being sold off is surely a red herring too, if MIA are indeed happy for it to be sold for housing?

And we're not talking about a few pennies being saved on a tin of beans as a reason for being in favour of a supermarket, we are talking about potential savings of £100s or even £1000s of pounds (when taking into account transport costs) for Marple's hard pushed residents.
HWL1973

How many people are going to save thousands of pounds a year by having a new supermarket on Hibbert Lane ?

People who walk & do all their weekly shopping at the Co-op would make a big saving I agree.

But how many people who drive to other stores in the area will suddenly abandon their cars and carry 10 bags of
shopping to the various parts of the Marple Area?

Given that the alternative supermarkets people use are say an average 5 miles away total journey = 10 miles.
If you say it costs 20p a mile for petrol for example that would equate to £2 a journey x 52 = £104.

Based people a weekly shop and not accounting for the many people who do their shopping on the way home
from work. The new supermarket would dramatically increase the traffic around Marple.

Also how many dedicate Tesco Club Card or Sainsbury’s Nectar Card Holders would suddenly switch their
weekly shop to Asda ?

So if you are going to castigate people for quoting people for quoting misleading information you should
do likewise.

I feel personally there are people who would benefit from a new supermarket, but the majority of people
will who would choose to a new supermarket on Hibbert Lane would only save the £2 a week.

I personally would happily forego the £2 a week saving, rather than have the increased traffic and to
stop the detrimental effect it would have on the centre of Marple.

But I suppose it all depends what your priorities are in Life !!!!

I'm not giving misleading information. I am talking about 'potential' savings based on my own experience of shopping for a big family. This is not fact, it's an informed opinion. I'm not dressing any of this up as fact.

I can indeed envisage a large family in Marple saving well over £1000 a year compared to using the co-op. Net traffic effects should also account for the parents of large families being forced to drive out and back again currently, and this would happen a lot less with an adequately sized store in our town.
Title: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: jethroh65 on September 07, 2011, 04:45:56 PM

How many people are going to save thousands of pounds a year by having a new supermarket on Hibbert Lane ?

People who walk & do all their weekly shopping at the Co-op would make a big saving I agree.


Also how many dedicate Tesco Club Card or Sainsbury’s Nectar Card Holders would suddenly switch their
weekly shop to Asda ?

I personally would happily forego the £2 a week saving, rather than have the increased traffic and to
stop the detrimental effect it would have on the centre of Marple.

But I suppose it all depends what your priorities are in Life !!!!

I feel that those that would save money are the ones who need the money the most ie.low income. Perhaps lone parents in particular. I shop at one of the 'big 4' online (not Asda) but I would change to Asda if it was local, I only use the one I do as it's online delivery is better in my experience. I also would love to be able to buy Asda clothes locally. I do use local shops alot too and that wouldn't change. We would probably use the Co-op less but that is about it. I know it is more ethical but we do plenty of other ethical things.

I would be interested in whether the traffic would be hugely increased or if the reduced people going out of marple and large number of Tesco/asda delivery vans always about would make it the same as it is now.

I also worry about this being a 'class war' as someone mentioned on another post. It's abit uncomfortable in many ways reading some posts and wondering what was deleted! I would be probably more on the against side (I'm not actually on either 'side' as such) if they were more sympathetic to those on a low income such as they realise it would be great for young families etc and not just get the bus, move out of Marple etc. I myself am on the fence because although it is alright for me, having the choice to do shopping elsewhere, I can still empaphise with those who have less choice and on low income, i feel alot of people cannot or will not do that.


JMC
Not sure how my comments relate to 'class' ?

In my previous post I asked how many people would save thousands of pounds, but stated that some people would save money. How does this relate to class ?

I have a tight budget for shopping at present and at the moment I have a car, but in the past I have not had the use of  car to do my weekly shopping.
Yes the Co-op was and still is a nightmare for prices, but I have managed and adjusted to suit my shopping situation at the time, in my opinion a new supermarket is not a necessity but a convenience.

A new supermarket would be more convenient and help some people save money how many and how much is questionable!
But for the detrimental effect it would cause in my opinion, it's not worth it.

I have posted a comment and the main Tesco/ASDA thread about my opinion of how the traffic would be altered!
Title: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Duke Fame on September 07, 2011, 05:09:48 PM
I can indeed envisage a large family in Marple saving well over £1000 a year compared to using the co-op. Net traffic effects should also account for the parents of large families being forced to drive out and back again currently, and this would happen a lot less with an adequately sized store in our town.

On what basis? Co-op prices must be on par with say Tesco & Sainsbury, 2-3% higher than Moggy's 5% higher than Nettos. So, to mak £1000 saving a family would have to spend £20,000 on groceries a year. I'd suggest only the richest of families could afford to do that and they'd have to be catholics.
Title: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Smithy166 on September 07, 2011, 05:16:04 PM
Well over £1000? Were in gods name did you pull that number from? After all, you did word it as if it were FACT.
It is my personal opinion that no family could save "well over £1000" from shopping at a store on the hibbert lane site. Infact i'll be supprised if anyone saves over £200.
Title: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Duke Fame on September 07, 2011, 05:27:07 PM
Well over £1000? Were in gods name did you pull that number from? After all, you did word it as if it were FACT.
It is my personal opinion that no family could save "well over £1000" from shopping at a store on the hibbert lane site. Infact i'll be supprised if anyone saves over £200.

Sounds like the maths Ed Miliband used to say the average family would be £5000 pa worse off due to the VAT increase. This were only true is an average family bought a new Maybach every year, makes us wonder how the country ended up in a mess.
Title: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Marplenewbie on September 07, 2011, 05:27:27 PM
Well over £1000? Were in gods name did you pull that number from? After all, you did word it as if it were FACT.
It is my personal opinion that no family could save "well over £1000" from shopping at a store on the hibbert lane site. Infact i'll be supprised if anyone saves over £200.

I don't believe that shopping at Tesco or Asda does save any money because these places use so called supermarket psychology, ensuring that people almost invariably end up spending more than they had originally intended.
Title: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Henry_ on September 07, 2011, 07:53:56 PM
Duke Fame / Captain Smithy,

have either of you done a weekly shop for a family of 5 recently? I have many, many times and from that experience can predict that you could easily shave 20% or more off the cost of a co-op shop by going to Asda. If you spend £100 a week in the co-op . . . well (as they say in America) you do the math. That's not even accounting for the lack of availability at the co-op or the savings in fuel.
Title: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Henry_ on September 07, 2011, 08:03:22 PM
So if that sounds like a politician's answer, so be it. I nearly didn't write £1000s but then I thought about the comparison between the co-op and Asda and it does stack up.
Title: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Smithy166 on September 07, 2011, 08:07:22 PM
I will point out that your not forced to shop at the Co-op, As, obviously, you have the internet, so you can shop online. Theres also the various greengrocers and butchers around marple, which gives you more choice, better quality 9/10 times cheaper prices.
Title: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Duke Fame on September 07, 2011, 08:39:13 PM
Duke Fame / Captain Smithy,

have either of you done a weekly shop for a family of 5 recently? I have many, many times and from that experience can predict that you could easily shave 20% or more off the cost of a co-op shop by going to Asda. If you spend £100 a week in the co-op . . . well (as they say in America) you do the math. That's not even accounting for the lack of availability at the co-op or the savings in fuel.

A 2 min online comparison. Beef mince, spagetti, tin toms = tesco & coop within 5p of each other
Bread - same price
Butter - coop 10p cheaper
Chicken breast - coop 50p cheaper
Bag salad - same
Tomatoes- 10p kg cheaper tesco

I'm struggling to see 20pc diff. I wonder if you make up the "math" and work back from your claimed figure
Title: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Henry_ on September 07, 2011, 08:41:35 PM
I will point out that your not forced to shop at the Co-op, As, obviously, you have the internet, so you can shop online. Theres also the various greengrocers and butchers around marple, which gives you more choice, better quality 9/10 times cheaper prices.

Yes but you need a lot of time to do that Smithy. If you have several kids you simply don't have that luxury. Just speaking from experience.
Title: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Henry_ on September 07, 2011, 08:43:02 PM
Duke Fame / Captain Smithy,

have either of you done a weekly shop for a family of 5 recently? I have many, many times and from that experience can predict that you could easily shave 20% or more off the cost of a co-op shop by going to Asda. If you spend £100 a week in the co-op . . . well (as they say in America) you do the math. That's not even accounting for the lack of availability at the co-op or the savings in fuel.

A 2 min online comparison. Beef mince, spagetti, tin toms = tesco & coop within 5p of each other
Bread - same price
Butter - coop 10p cheaper
Chicken breast - coop 50p cheaper
Bag salad - same
Tomatoes- 10p kg cheaper tesco

I'm struggling to see 20pc diff. I wonder if you make up the "math" and work back from your claimed figure

I'm talking real world experience here. It is staggering the cost difference between stores for my own shopping needs. 20% is a conservative estimate. It's often due to the co-op being out of stock of various items, so you have to buy the next most expensive. They are also infuriatingly out of stock on special offers on many occasions. Asda and Tesco both have much better supply chains from what I've seen. This makes a big difference.
Title: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Duke Fame on September 07, 2011, 08:45:56 PM
Inflammatory post overwritten. Admin.

Not sure about that?

I will put it another way £17 a day to feed 5 seems excessive
Title: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Henry_ on September 07, 2011, 08:47:30 PM
Inflammatory post overwritten. Admin.

Not sure about that?

I will put it another way £17 a day to feed 5 seems excessive

To feed? To feed, wash, nappy etc . . .
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: admin on September 07, 2011, 09:04:29 PM
Try this if you want see how much you can save: http://www.mysupermarket.co.uk/

Why not do a real comparison instead of speculating and using guesses as facts?
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Duke Fame on September 07, 2011, 09:17:40 PM
I'm talking real world experience here. It is staggering the cost difference between stores for my own shopping needs. 20% is a conservative estimate. It's often due to the co-op being out of stock of various items, so you have to buy the next most expensive. They are also infuriatingly out of stock on special offers on many occasions. Asda and Tesco both have much better supply chains from what I've seen. This makes a big difference.
My real experience is to look at my coop purchases from 1/2 hr ago & looked up on tesco website for comparison. I'd look up bran flakes at £1.29 but I forgot to look.

Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Duke Fame on September 07, 2011, 09:22:54 PM
Inflammatory post overwritten. Admin.
Not sure about that?

I will put it another way £17 a day to feed 5 seems excessive

To feed? To feed, wash, nappy etc . . .

Terry nappies just a wash
Washing powder 50p a week
Washing liquid 30p
Lifebouy 25p
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: tina on September 07, 2011, 10:07:29 PM

Terry nappies just a wash
Washing powder 50p a week
Washing liquid 30p
Lifebouy 25p


Are you having a laugh? you must live alone Duke if you only use that much washing powder and washing up liquid?
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Duke Fame on September 07, 2011, 10:18:46 PM

Terry nappies just a wash
Washing powder 50p a week
Washing liquid 30p
Lifebouy 25p


Are you having a laugh? you must live alone Duke if you only use that much washing powder and washing up liquid?

I do about three washes a week, £3 bottle of surf 21 washes = 50p

Washing up? 1 squirt a wash
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: tina on September 07, 2011, 10:22:53 PM


I do about three washes a week, £3 bottle of surf 21 washes = 50p

Washing up? 1 squirt a wash
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3 washes a week, you are very lucky then, I have sons who play football, school uniforms, my work uniform plus our daily clothes too, so do lots of washing a week, I go through a box a week! (10 wash boxes)
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Henry_ on September 07, 2011, 10:34:29 PM
Wow, it seems I have started my own thread  :D

Nevertheless this is a hugely important topic and one that I think MIA are grossly underestimating as can be seen by some of the comments on this thread and the one it was split away from.

A word of advice then to all the No campaigners, it is at your peril that you downplay this issue and the strength of the anti co-op feeling that is out there. If you want to be inclusive then you need to listen carefully to this and don't dismiss it.

Supermarket shopping is a hugely emotive subject for people with young families. It is kind of a specialist subject of ours. Go to a gathering of parents with young kids and it is often all they talk about. You sometimes think "how did we get to be this boring?" but there you go! This is not just people living on the breadline either, it is a passionate topic of conversation for all of us, rich or poor.

We live in a real world, one where price comparison websites are not reality. Where shopping in the co-op can be a hugely frustrating experience due to the unavailability of the best value goods. Where special offers are often sold out. Where frankly you reach the till and it's £10 - £20 more than you were expecting, even for a smallish shop. After all, how many 'big shops' do you see happening in the co-op (ones with at least one full, large shopping trolley)? Honest answers please.

So when you go onto the Yes to a Supermarket in Marple facebook page and see the level of anger and vitriol directed at the co-op and of the 'snobs' in the MIA dictating how we should be doing our shopping, then don't dismiss us as a bunch of contrarians. Think about how it sadly got to this. We have not made all this up about the co-op - why would we? Think about your own approach to the whole issue and how you could do more to listen to these important voices. I'm not saying that people with young families all want a new supermarket, but the vast majority of the ones I have talked to certainly do.

Yet these are also the people who have the least headspace to even think about this debate. But they are also the ones who are rearing the future generation of Marple residents. So finally ask yourself this, is it fair that they have less of a voice than those with more of that most precious of commodities - time?
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Duke Fame on September 07, 2011, 10:38:30 PM
3 washes a week, you are very lucky then, I have sons who play football, school uniforms, my work uniform plus our daily clothes too, so do lots of washing a week, I go through a box a week! (10 wash boxes)

You should shop at the Co-op, Surf was only £4 for 54 washes last time so that's 74p for the week.
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Duke Fame on September 07, 2011, 10:57:01 PM
Wow, it seems I have started my own thread  :D

Nevertheless this is a hugely important topic and one that I think MIA are grossly underestimating as can be seen by some of the comments on this thread and the one it was split away from.

A word of advice then to all the No campaigners, it is at your peril that you downplay this issue and the strength of the anti co-op feeling that is out there. If you want to be inclusive then you need to listen carefully to this and don't dismiss it.

Supermarket shopping is a hugely emotive subject for people with young families. It is kind of a specialist subject of ours. Go to a gathering of parents with young kids and it is often all they talk about. You sometimes think "how did we get to be this boring?" but there you go! This is not just people living on the breadline either, it is a passionate topic of conversation for all of us, rich or poor.

We live in a real world, one where price comparison websites are not reality. Where shopping in the co-op can be a hugely frustrating experience due to the unavailability of the best value goods. Where special offers are often sold out. Where frankly you reach the till and it's £10 - £20 more than you were expecting, even for a smallish shop. After all, how many 'big shops' do you see happening in the co-op (ones with at least one full, large shopping trolley)? Honest answers please.

So when you go onto the Yes to a Supermarket in Marple facebook page and see the level of anger and vitriol directed at the co-op and of the 'snobs' in the MIA dictating how we should be doing our shopping, then don't dismiss us as a bunch of contrarians. Think about how it sadly got to this. We have not made all this up about the co-op - why would we? Think about your own approach to the whole issue and how you could do more to listen to these important voices. I'm not saying that people with young families all want a new supermarket, but the vast majority of the ones I have talked to certainly do.

Yet these are also the people who have the least headspace to even think about this debate. But they are also the ones who are rearing the future generation of Marple residents. So finally ask yourself this, is it fair that they have less of a voice than those with more of that most precious of commodities - time?

This real world of yours only seems to exist in your mind.

Your family of 5, Ok it's your lifestyle choice to have a big family so, typical days food:

breakfast:
5 servings bran flakes = £0.32 p
Grapefruit, Kiwi, nectarines & orange fruit salad (made it myself yesterday) 5 servings £0.80
5 x Tea = £0.10 p
Milk used £0.10p
5 x toast & spread - £0.30p

Washing powder used £0.08

Snack - 5 x oranges / bananas = £1.00

Lunch = Sandwiches & filling x 5 = £1.00

Dinner i.e. Beef mince £1.60, onion £0.10, Tomatoes £0.30, herbs £0.10, Pasta £0.40

Daily cost to feed & wash a family £6.20

£43 per week

even saving 20% as you claim, £8.60 is £447.20 a year.

I wouldn't mind betting that whilst people walk to Marple centre, they'd drive to Hibbert Lane superstore giving an additional £2 of petrol / wear & tear. So the saving is now down to £6.60 a week on an unrealistic 20% saving on the co-op v other supermarket.

What if the new supermarket isn't Asda? If it's Tesco, there is possibly no saving at all.

 
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: sgk on September 07, 2011, 10:59:38 PM
3 washes a week, you are very lucky then, I have sons who play football, school uniforms, my work uniform plus our daily clothes too, so do lots of washing a week, I go through a box a week! (10 wash boxes)

You should shop at the Co-op, Surf was only £4 for 54 washes last time so that's 74p for the week.

Without wishing to get into a dialog comparing each and every product across every supermarket in the land, that Surf 50 washes is £9.48 at ASDA and £9.49 at TESCO.

Less than half the price at Co-op.  Bargain !  Bryce would be proud.

http://groceries.asda.com/asda-estore/search/searchcontainer.jsp?trailSize=1&searchString=surf+50&domainName=Products&headerVersion=v1 (http://groceries.asda.com/asda-estore/search/searchcontainer.jsp?trailSize=1&searchString=surf+50&domainName=Products&headerVersion=v1)

http://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/search/default.aspx?searchBox=surf%2050 (http://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/search/default.aspx?searchBox=surf%2050)
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Henry_ on September 07, 2011, 11:05:01 PM
Wow, it seems I have started my own thread  :D

Nevertheless this is a hugely important topic and one that I think MIA are grossly underestimating as can be seen by some of the comments on this thread and the one it was split away from.

A word of advice then to all the No campaigners, it is at your peril that you downplay this issue and the strength of the anti co-op feeling that is out there. If you want to be inclusive then you need to listen carefully to this and don't dismiss it.

Supermarket shopping is a hugely emotive subject for people with young families. It is kind of a specialist subject of ours. Go to a gathering of parents with young kids and it is often all they talk about. You sometimes think "how did we get to be this boring?" but there you go! This is not just people living on the breadline either, it is a passionate topic of conversation for all of us, rich or poor.

We live in a real world, one where price comparison websites are not reality. Where shopping in the co-op can be a hugely frustrating experience due to the unavailability of the best value goods. Where special offers are often sold out. Where frankly you reach the till and it's £10 - £20 more than you were expecting, even for a smallish shop. After all, how many 'big shops' do you see happening in the co-op (ones with at least one full, large shopping trolley)? Honest answers please.

So when you go onto the Yes to a Supermarket in Marple facebook page and see the level of anger and vitriol directed at the co-op and of the 'snobs' in the MIA dictating how we should be doing our shopping, then don't dismiss us as a bunch of contrarians. Think about how it sadly got to this. We have not made all this up about the co-op - why would we? Think about your own approach to the whole issue and how you could do more to listen to these important voices. I'm not saying that people with young families all want a new supermarket, but the vast majority of the ones I have talked to certainly do.

Yet these are also the people who have the least headspace to even think about this debate. But they are also the ones who are rearing the future generation of Marple residents. So finally ask yourself this, is it fair that they have less of a voice than those with more of that most precious of commodities - time?

This real world of yours only seems to exist in your mind.

Your family of 5, Ok it's your lifestyle choice to have a big family so, typical days food:

breakfast:
5 servings bran flakes = £0.32 p
Grapefruit, Kiwi, nectarines & orange fruit salad (made it myself yesterday) 5 servings £0.80
5 x Tea = £0.10 p
Milk used £0.10p
5 x toast & spread - £0.30p

Washing powder used £0.08

Snack - 5 x oranges / bananas = £1.00

Lunch = Sandwiches & filling x 5 = £1.00

Dinner i.e. Beef mince £1.60, onion £0.10, Tomatoes £0.30, herbs £0.10, Pasta £0.40

Daily cost to feed & wash a family £6.20

£43 per week

even saving 20% as you claim, £8.60 is £447.20 a year.

I wouldn't mind betting that whilst people walk to Marple centre, they'd drive to Hibbert Lane superstore giving an additional £2 of petrol / wear & tear. So the saving is now down to £6.60 a week on an unrealistic 20% saving on the co-op v other supermarket.

What if the new supermarket isn't Asda? If it's Tesco, there is possibly no saving at all.

 
Do you really want to persist with this approach? Why then is there such a strength of feeling against the co-op? There are loads of us out there, take a look. Do you think people really take kindly being told what to do in this way? The 'No' campaign needs to get some empathy and quickly. I am giving you and them some good advice here so don't dismiss it flippantly.
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Miss Marple on September 07, 2011, 11:06:44 PM
If people don't like the coop why are you using it, why don't you shop at Spar or Premier for basics like a lot of people do    Check out New Shop at Rosehill post and you will see people shop at Premier to save money
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Duke Fame on September 07, 2011, 11:10:27 PM
3 washes a week, you are very lucky then, I have sons who play football, school uniforms, my work uniform plus our daily clothes too, so do lots of washing a week, I go through a box a week! (10 wash boxes)

You should shop at the Co-op, Surf was only £4 for 54 washes last time so that's 74p for the week.

Without wishing to get into a dialog comparing each and every product across every supermarket in the land, that Surf 50 washes is £9.48 at ASDA and £9.49 at TESCO.

Less than half the price at Co-op.  Bargain !  Bryce would be proud.

http://groceries.asda.com/asda-estore/search/searchcontainer.jsp?trailSize=1&searchString=surf+50&domainName=Products&headerVersion=v1 (http://groceries.asda.com/asda-estore/search/searchcontainer.jsp?trailSize=1&searchString=surf+50&domainName=Products&headerVersion=v1)

http://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/search/default.aspx?searchBox=surf%2050 (http://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/search/default.aspx?searchBox=surf%2050)

It's very true, Tesco & the like work on loss-leaders. They'll get you in with a few choice offers & a spurious claim that a trolly full of shopping will be cheaper at their store. Get down to the other items in the shop, you'll pay through the nose. I can't understand why people think it's difficult to buy at the independent shops. Marple precinct has to be a shorter walk from top to bottom than the big Tesco near the M60.

I shop on a Saturday before opening the wife's shop. Greengrocers, butchers, fishman, Iceland, bakers & hollins & can get it all in around 25 mins.
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Henry_ on September 07, 2011, 11:12:12 PM
If people don't like the coop why are you using it, why don't you shop at Spar or Premier for basics like a lot of people do    Check out New Shop at Rosehill post and you will see people shop at Premier to save money

Miss Marple, you of all people must take on board what I'm saying. Understand this and you understand the crux of the 'Yes' campaign. Dismiss it and you don't. 'Know your enemy' after all? . . .
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: tina on September 07, 2011, 11:16:21 PM
If people don't like the coop why are you using it, why don't you shop at Spar or Premier for basics like a lot of people do    Check out New Shop at Rosehill post and you will see people shop at Premier to save money

That is just a ridiculous and pointless post MM.... You can not get a weekly food shop from either the spar or Premier! I go there for bread and milk, because their price is fair, unlike the co-op 2 litre milk cost me £1.64 yesterday, kicked myself at the til because I could of got 2 for £2 at the spar.... but the rest of my shopping I cant get from the spar.
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Duke Fame on September 07, 2011, 11:19:26 PM
Wow, it seems I have started my own thread  :D

Nevertheless this is a hugely important topic and one that I think MIA are grossly underestimating as can be seen by some of the comments on this thread and the one it was split away from.

A word of advice then to all the No campaigners, it is at your peril that you downplay this issue and the strength of the anti co-op feeling that is out there. If you want to be inclusive then you need to listen carefully to this and don't dismiss it.

Supermarket shopping is a hugely emotive subject for people with young families. It is kind of a specialist subject of ours. Go to a gathering of parents with young kids and it is often all they talk about. You sometimes think "how did we get to be this boring?" but there you go! This is not just people living on the breadline either, it is a passionate topic of conversation for all of us, rich or poor.

We live in a real world, one where price comparison websites are not reality. Where shopping in the co-op can be a hugely frustrating experience due to the unavailability of the best value goods. Where special offers are often sold out. Where frankly you reach the till and it's £10 - £20 more than you were expecting, even for a smallish shop. After all, how many 'big shops' do you see happening in the co-op (ones with at least one full, large shopping trolley)? Honest answers please.

So when you go onto the Yes to a Supermarket in Marple facebook page and see the level of anger and vitriol directed at the co-op and of the 'snobs' in the MIA dictating how we should be doing our shopping, then don't dismiss us as a bunch of contrarians. Think about how it sadly got to this. We have not made all this up about the co-op - why would we? Think about your own approach to the whole issue and how you could do more to listen to these important voices. I'm not saying that people with young families all want a new supermarket, but the vast majority of the ones I have talked to certainly do.

Yet these are also the people who have the least headspace to even think about this debate. But they are also the ones who are rearing the future generation of Marple residents. So finally ask yourself this, is it fair that they have less of a voice than those with more of that most precious of commodities - time?

This real world of yours only seems to exist in your mind.

Your family of 5, Ok it's your lifestyle choice to have a big family so, typical days food:

breakfast:
5 servings bran flakes = £0.32 p
Grapefruit, Kiwi, nectarines & orange fruit salad (made it myself yesterday) 5 servings £0.80
5 x Tea = £0.10 p
Milk used £0.10p
5 x toast & spread - £0.30p

Washing powder used £0.08

Snack - 5 x oranges / bananas = £1.00

Lunch = Sandwiches & filling x 5 = £1.00

Dinner i.e. Beef mince £1.60, onion £0.10, Tomatoes £0.30, herbs £0.10, Pasta £0.40

Daily cost to feed & wash a family £6.20

£43 per week

even saving 20% as you claim, £8.60 is £447.20 a year.

I wouldn't mind betting that whilst people walk to Marple centre, they'd drive to Hibbert Lane superstore giving an additional £2 of petrol / wear & tear. So the saving is now down to £6.60 a week on an unrealistic 20% saving on the co-op v other supermarket.

What if the new supermarket isn't Asda? If it's Tesco, there is possibly no saving at all.

 
Do you really want to persist with this approach? Why then is there such a strength of feeling against the co-op? There are loads of us out there, take a look. Do you think people really take kindly being told what to do in this way? The 'No' campaign needs to get some empathy and quickly. I am giving you and them some good advice here so don't dismiss it flippantly.

I'm persisting because I'm right, you'll find I'm often right.

I challenge you Mr lavish, get your £100 from the bank and do not use your card all week.

pay for your petrol with the cash & shop at the out of town supermarket.

The following week, take £100, leave you car in the drive. Work out your food requirements and go & shop locally, even avoid the co-op because you hate it so much.


I also can't understand how the argument is that you can't afford the co-op whilst you spend such a lot of money on food / household shopping.

I can almost guarantee your £100 will last & leave you with £££ to spare if you do the latter.
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Miss Marple on September 07, 2011, 11:20:33 PM
Flipping heck I have never had an enemy before, well not over a shopping list   ;). I know more than you will ever know about absolute poverty and I am pleased to say I have not come across this in MARPLE but I stand to be corrected !  By the way  HWL  I thought you told me you enjoyed a debate , so let's not have a bun fight because if I could cut and paste I would be a force to be reckoned with.   Lol lol  :D
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Henry_ on September 07, 2011, 11:24:57 PM
Wow, it seems I have started my own thread  :D

Nevertheless this is a hugely important topic and one that I think MIA are grossly underestimating as can be seen by some of the comments on this thread and the one it was split away from.

A word of advice then to all the No campaigners, it is at your peril that you downplay this issue and the strength of the anti co-op feeling that is out there. If you want to be inclusive then you need to listen carefully to this and don't dismiss it.

Supermarket shopping is a hugely emotive subject for people with young families. It is kind of a specialist subject of ours. Go to a gathering of parents with young kids and it is often all they talk about. You sometimes think "how did we get to be this boring?" but there you go! This is not just people living on the breadline either, it is a passionate topic of conversation for all of us, rich or poor.

We live in a real world, one where price comparison websites are not reality. Where shopping in the co-op can be a hugely frustrating experience due to the unavailability of the best value goods. Where special offers are often sold out. Where frankly you reach the till and it's £10 - £20 more than you were expecting, even for a smallish shop. After all, how many 'big shops' do you see happening in the co-op (ones with at least one full, large shopping trolley)? Honest answers please.

So when you go onto the Yes to a Supermarket in Marple facebook page and see the level of anger and vitriol directed at the co-op and of the 'snobs' in the MIA dictating how we should be doing our shopping, then don't dismiss us as a bunch of contrarians. Think about how it sadly got to this. We have not made all this up about the co-op - why would we? Think about your own approach to the whole issue and how you could do more to listen to these important voices. I'm not saying that people with young families all want a new supermarket, but the vast majority of the ones I have talked to certainly do.

Yet these are also the people who have the least headspace to even think about this debate. But they are also the ones who are rearing the future generation of Marple residents. So finally ask yourself this, is it fair that they have less of a voice than those with more of that most precious of commodities - time?

This real world of yours only seems to exist in your mind.

Your family of 5, Ok it's your lifestyle choice to have a big family so, typical days food:

breakfast:
5 servings bran flakes = £0.32 p
Grapefruit, Kiwi, nectarines & orange fruit salad (made it myself yesterday) 5 servings £0.80
5 x Tea = £0.10 p
Milk used £0.10p
5 x toast & spread - £0.30p

Washing powder used £0.08

Snack - 5 x oranges / bananas = £1.00

Lunch = Sandwiches & filling x 5 = £1.00

Dinner i.e. Beef mince £1.60, onion £0.10, Tomatoes £0.30, herbs £0.10, Pasta £0.40

Daily cost to feed & wash a family £6.20

£43 per week

even saving 20% as you claim, £8.60 is £447.20 a year.

I wouldn't mind betting that whilst people walk to Marple centre, they'd drive to Hibbert Lane superstore giving an additional £2 of petrol / wear & tear. So the saving is now down to £6.60 a week on an unrealistic 20% saving on the co-op v other supermarket.

What if the new supermarket isn't Asda? If it's Tesco, there is possibly no saving at all.

 
Do you really want to persist with this approach? Why then is there such a strength of feeling against the co-op? There are loads of us out there, take a look. Do you think people really take kindly being told what to do in this way? The 'No' campaign needs to get some empathy and quickly. I am giving you and them some good advice here so don't dismiss it flippantly.

I'm persisting because I'm right, you'll find I'm often right.

I challenge you Mr lavish, get your £100 from the bank and do not use your card all week.

pay for your petrol with the cash & shop at the out of town supermarket.

The following week, take £100, leave you car in the drive. Work out your food requirements and go & shop locally, even avoid the co-op because you hate it so much.


I also can't understand how the argument is that you can't afford the co-op whilst you spend such a lot of money on food / household shopping.

I can almost guarantee your £100 will last & leave you with £££ to spare if you do the latter.

I'm sorry Duke Fame but I can't take you seriously at all with this, and I mean this in no way offensively. You say I need 10p per day per milk. We get through 5 - 8 pints of the stuff a day. We often have the washing machine running 3 times a day, sometimes more. We buy nappies, we buy many, many cleaning products and related items (did you notice I mentioned the 'etc' in there?

When did you last do a family shop for 5 or more people, with all the time constraints and other considerations that such a life entails. I spent a lot of time typing up that post earlier yet you have continued quoting theoretical price comparisons and in telling me how to manage my shopping. Please read it again and think about the points I was making.
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Henry_ on September 07, 2011, 11:26:11 PM
Flipping heck I have never had an enemy before, well not over a shopping list   ;). I know more than you will ever know about absolute poverty and I am pleased to say I have not come across this in MARPLE but I stand to be corrected !  By the way  HWL  I thought you told me you enjoyed a debate , so let's not have a bun fight because if I could cut and paste I would be a force to be reckoned with.   Lol lol  :D

 ;D , seriously though at risk of repeating myself don't underestimate how important and emotive an issue this is.
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Duke Fame on September 07, 2011, 11:27:05 PM
That is just a ridiculous and pointless post MM.... You can not get a weekly food shop from either the spar or Premier! I go there for bread and milk, because their price is fair, unlike the co-op 2 litre milk cost me £1.64 yesterday, kicked myself at the til because I could of got 2 for £2 at the spar.... but the rest of my shopping I cant get from the spar.

I'd suggest, as I have to HWL that you simply shop on the precinct. THe fruit & veg from the F&V man is far fresher than supermarkets and cheaper. Tip, free -range eggs are £1 cheaper than Asda / Tesco.  5 mins down, poundplus man for soaps etc, he had branded shampoos for £1 (2 mins). fish man for fish & mussels (2 mins), far cheaper & fresher than Tesco's, Asda or even Morrisons. Butchers are again cheaper than your out of town place & better quality to boot (2 mins). Iceland will do some frozen veg at a good price,(4 mins) , Bread shop (5 mins) & Hollins for everything else.
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Henry_ on September 07, 2011, 11:27:41 PM
So how many times do we have to queue up at tills shopping at the precinct?
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Miss Marple on September 07, 2011, 11:28:29 PM
If people don't like the coop why are you using it, why don't you shop at Spar or Premier for basics like a lot of people do    Check out New Shop at Rosehill post and you will see people shop at Premier to save money

That is just a ridiculous and pointless post MM.... You can not get a weekly food shop from either the spar or Premier! I go there for bread and milk, because their price is fair, unlike the co-op 2 litre milk cost me £1.64 yesterday, kicked myself at the til because I could of got 2 for £2 at the spar.... but the rest of my shopping I cant get from the spar.
. I know I just got carried away !  I have never shopped in them but the post on about the new shop highlighted low income families saying that they made huge saving.
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Duke Fame on September 07, 2011, 11:32:06 PM
Wow, it seems I have started my own thread  :D

Nevertheless this is a hugely important topic and one that I think MIA are grossly underestimating as can be seen by some of the comments on this thread and the one it was split away from.

A word of advice then to all the No campaigners, it is at your peril that you downplay this issue and the strength of the anti co-op feeling that is out there. If you want to be inclusive then you need to listen carefully to this and don't dismiss it.

Supermarket shopping is a hugely emotive subject for people with young families. It is kind of a specialist subject of ours. Go to a gathering of parents with young kids and it is often all they talk about. You sometimes think "how did we get to be this boring?" but there you go! This is not just people living on the breadline either, it is a passionate topic of conversation for all of us, rich or poor.

We live in a real world, one where price comparison websites are not reality. Where shopping in the co-op can be a hugely frustrating experience due to the unavailability of the best value goods. Where special offers are often sold out. Where frankly you reach the till and it's £10 - £20 more than you were expecting, even for a smallish shop. After all, how many 'big shops' do you see happening in the co-op (ones with at least one full, large shopping trolley)? Honest answers please.

So when you go onto the Yes to a Supermarket in Marple facebook page and see the level of anger and vitriol directed at the co-op and of the 'snobs' in the MIA dictating how we should be doing our shopping, then don't dismiss us as a bunch of contrarians. Think about how it sadly got to this. We have not made all this up about the co-op - why would we? Think about your own approach to the whole issue and how you could do more to listen to these important voices. I'm not saying that people with young families all want a new supermarket, but the vast majority of the ones I have talked to certainly do.

Yet these are also the people who have the least headspace to even think about this debate. But they are also the ones who are rearing the future generation of Marple residents. So finally ask yourself this, is it fair that they have less of a voice than those with more of that most precious of commodities - time?

This real world of yours only seems to exist in your mind.

Your family of 5, Ok it's your lifestyle choice to have a big family so, typical days food:

breakfast:
5 servings bran flakes = £0.32 p
Grapefruit, Kiwi, nectarines & orange fruit salad (made it myself yesterday) 5 servings £0.80
5 x Tea = £0.10 p
Milk used £0.10p
5 x toast & spread - £0.30p

Washing powder used £0.08

Snack - 5 x oranges / bananas = £1.00

Lunch = Sandwiches & filling x 5 = £1.00

Dinner i.e. Beef mince £1.60, onion £0.10, Tomatoes £0.30, herbs £0.10, Pasta £0.40

Daily cost to feed & wash a family £6.20

£43 per week

even saving 20% as you claim, £8.60 is £447.20 a year.

I wouldn't mind betting that whilst people walk to Marple centre, they'd drive to Hibbert Lane superstore giving an additional £2 of petrol / wear & tear. So the saving is now down to £6.60 a week on an unrealistic 20% saving on the co-op v other supermarket.

What if the new supermarket isn't Asda? If it's Tesco, there is possibly no saving at all.

 
Do you really want to persist with this approach? Why then is there such a strength of feeling against the co-op? There are loads of us out there, take a look. Do you think people really take kindly being told what to do in this way? The 'No' campaign needs to get some empathy and quickly. I am giving you and them some good advice here so don't dismiss it flippantly.

I'm persisting because I'm right, you'll find I'm often right.

I challenge you Mr lavish, get your £100 from the bank and do not use your card all week.

pay for your petrol with the cash & shop at the out of town supermarket.

The following week, take £100, leave you car in the drive. Work out your food requirements and go & shop locally, even avoid the co-op because you hate it so much.


I also can't understand how the argument is that you can't afford the co-op whilst you spend such a lot of money on food / household shopping.

I can almost guarantee your £100 will last & leave you with £££ to spare if you do the latter.

I'm sorry Duke Fame but I can't take you seriously at all with this, and I mean this in no way offensively. You say I need 10p per day per milk. We get through 5 - 8 pints of the stuff a day. We often have the washing machine running 3 times a day, sometimes more. We buy nappies, we buy many, many cleaning products and related items (did you notice I mentioned the 'etc' in there?

When did you last do a family shop for 5 or more people, with all the time constraints and other considerations that such a life entails. I spent a lot of time typing up that post earlier yet you have continued quoting theoretical price comparisons and in telling me how to manage my shopping. Please read it again and think about the points I was making.

I've not made the lifestyle choice to have such a large family so can't comment but you must benefit from economies of scale. 8pints of milk a day though? You'll have chrohns disease if you're not careful!

I'm sure you've got a lovely clean house but to buy many, many, many cleaning products a week is crazy.
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: jethroh65 on September 07, 2011, 11:33:36 PM
Wow, it seems I have started my own thread  :D

Nevertheless this is a hugely important topic and one that I think MIA are grossly underestimating as can be seen by some of the comments on this thread and the one it was split away from.

A word of advice then to all the No campaigners, it is at your peril that you downplay this issue and the strength of the anti co-op feeling that is out there. If you want to be inclusive then you need to listen carefully to this and don't dismiss it.

Supermarket shopping is a hugely emotive subject for people with young families. It is kind of a specialist subject of ours. Go to a gathering of parents with young kids and it is often all they talk about. You sometimes think "how did we get to be this boring?" but there you go! This is not just people living on the breadline either, it is a passionate topic of conversation for all of us, rich or poor.

We live in a real world, one where price comparison websites are not reality. Where shopping in the co-op can be a hugely frustrating experience due to the unavailability of the best value goods. Where special offers are often sold out. Where frankly you reach the till and it's £10 - £20 more than you were expecting, even for a smallish shop. After all, how many 'big shops' do you see happening in the co-op (ones with at least one full, large shopping trolley)? Honest answers please.

So when you go onto the Yes to a Supermarket in Marple facebook page and see the level of anger and vitriol directed at the co-op and of the 'snobs' in the MIA dictating how we should be doing our shopping, then don't dismiss us as a bunch of contrarians. Think about how it sadly got to this. We have not made all this up about the co-op - why would we? Think about your own approach to the whole issue and how you could do more to listen to these important voices. I'm not saying that people with young families all want a new supermarket, but the vast majority of the ones I have talked to certainly do.

Yet these are also the people who have the least headspace to even think about this debate. But they are also the ones who are rearing the future generation of Marple residents. So finally ask yourself this, is it fair that they have less of a voice than those with more of that most precious of commodities - time?
It as been established through various comments/threads that the a lot if not the majority of people travel
of Marple to do their weekly shop. So they in answer to your question those people will about £2 in petrol.

Another point if you do your shopping in Marple, you don't have do it all in the Co-op.

Prior to the announcement of the proposed plans for Hibbert Lane, was there a campaign or facebook page asking for a new supermarket in or was there the outcry about the Co-op?
How many years has the Co-op been the main shop in Marple?

A new supermarket would be a convenience and is not a necessity, is that convenience worth the effect
it will have on the Hibbert Lane area and centre as a whole?

Also I consider myself to live in the real world and have been shopping for family for the last 20 years ( 16 years in Marple ). I have always done this on a tight budget sometimes with the aid of transport and sometimes without. With regards to shopping at ASDA, the cheapest way I have found is on line is on line, even taking into account the delivery cost. This is from my experience on working on a budget.

Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Sareena on September 07, 2011, 11:35:00 PM
Tesco and Asda are significantly cheaper than co-op.
The three lowest price nappies, size 5 from
Asda £1.43
Tesco £1.91
Co-op £3.99
That's a saving of £2.08 at Tesco and £2.56 that i could have made today when i had to shop at co-op. And YES I HAD TO. I don't usually have the time to wait at home during the day for a home delivery and when i do i don't have enough money to spend for home delivery.
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Miss Marple on September 07, 2011, 11:35:33 PM
Flipping heck I have never had an enemy before, well not over a shopping list   ;). I know more than you will ever know about absolute poverty and I am pleased to say I have not come across this in MARPLE but I stand to be corrected !  By the way  HWL  I thought you told me you enjoyed a debate , so let's not have a bun fight because if I could cut and paste I would be a force to be reckoned with.   Lol lol  :D

 ;D , seriously though at risk of repeating myself don't underestimate how important and emotive an issue this is.
. I think I am missing something here the issue is very emotive on both sides !  But I will not have it turned into a class war because we have single mums, pensioners , low income families in the NO campaign and they are not pleading poverty so I think we all need to keep it real, or I will be working lots of overtime  ;D
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Duke Fame on September 07, 2011, 11:36:04 PM
So how many times do we have to queue up at tills shopping at the precinct?

That's the beauty, the fish man gets your fish, you pay him and you are away. There is no waiting whilst you watch the blubberpus in front load 1/2 a ton of chicken nuggets onto the conveyor whilst feeling smug about yourself because you've just bought salad.

There is very little waiting about, you get exactly what you want, no extra packaging etc.
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Duke Fame on September 07, 2011, 11:38:56 PM
Tesco and Asda are significantly cheaper than co-op.
The three lowest price nappies, size 5 from
Asda £1.43
Tesco £1.91
Co-op £3.99
That's a saving of £2.08 at Tesco and £2.56 that i could have made today when i had to shop at co-op. And YES I HAD TO. I don't usually have the time to wait at home during the day for a home delivery and when i do i don't have enough money to spend for home delivery.

There are ethical problems about disposable nappies that perhaps the co-op is correct in charging a premium for the environmental damage. Have you considered re-usable?
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: tina on September 07, 2011, 11:40:25 PM
. I know I just got carried away !  I have never shopped in them but the post on about the new shop highlighted low income families saying that they made huge saving. 
 

a huge saving on some products maybe, but that was not a realistic comment to post about supermarket shopping...

but to compare.... 2 bottles of milk £2 in spar ... cheaper in premier not sure exact price   co-op 2 bottles   1.64 x 2 =  £3.28/  that is a whopping £1.28 price difference MM and that's only milk... do you see the point about what is being said. most people live on a very tight budget, not everyone can afford to shop in Marple. and I've said it before, alot don't do their main shop here. if I had the time I would stand at the bottom of dan bank and count all the supermarket home delivery vans what pass through Marple every single day. and that is to those lucky percent of residents who are able to access a computer and do a internet shop.

Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Henry_ on September 07, 2011, 11:40:49 PM
Wow, it seems I have started my own thread  :D

Nevertheless this is a hugely important topic and one that I think MIA are grossly underestimating as can be seen by some of the comments on this thread and the one it was split away from.

A word of advice then to all the No campaigners, it is at your peril that you downplay this issue and the strength of the anti co-op feeling that is out there. If you want to be inclusive then you need to listen carefully to this and don't dismiss it.

Supermarket shopping is a hugely emotive subject for people with young families. It is kind of a specialist subject of ours. Go to a gathering of parents with young kids and it is often all they talk about. You sometimes think "how did we get to be this boring?" but there you go! This is not just people living on the breadline either, it is a passionate topic of conversation for all of us, rich or poor.

We live in a real world, one where price comparison websites are not reality. Where shopping in the co-op can be a hugely frustrating experience due to the unavailability of the best value goods. Where special offers are often sold out. Where frankly you reach the till and it's £10 - £20 more than you were expecting, even for a smallish shop. After all, how many 'big shops' do you see happening in the co-op (ones with at least one full, large shopping trolley)? Honest answers please.

So when you go onto the Yes to a Supermarket in Marple facebook page and see the level of anger and vitriol directed at the co-op and of the 'snobs' in the MIA dictating how we should be doing our shopping, then don't dismiss us as a bunch of contrarians. Think about how it sadly got to this. We have not made all this up about the co-op - why would we? Think about your own approach to the whole issue and how you could do more to listen to these important voices. I'm not saying that people with young families all want a new supermarket, but the vast majority of the ones I have talked to certainly do.

Yet these are also the people who have the least headspace to even think about this debate. But they are also the ones who are rearing the future generation of Marple residents. So finally ask yourself this, is it fair that they have less of a voice than those with more of that most precious of commodities - time?

This real world of yours only seems to exist in your mind.

Your family of 5, Ok it's your lifestyle choice to have a big family so, typical days food:

breakfast:
5 servings bran flakes = £0.32 p
Grapefruit, Kiwi, nectarines & orange fruit salad (made it myself yesterday) 5 servings £0.80
5 x Tea = £0.10 p
Milk used £0.10p
5 x toast & spread - £0.30p

Washing powder used £0.08

Snack - 5 x oranges / bananas = £1.00

Lunch = Sandwiches & filling x 5 = £1.00

Dinner i.e. Beef mince £1.60, onion £0.10, Tomatoes £0.30, herbs £0.10, Pasta £0.40

Daily cost to feed & wash a family £6.20

£43 per week

even saving 20% as you claim, £8.60 is £447.20 a year.

I wouldn't mind betting that whilst people walk to Marple centre, they'd drive to Hibbert Lane superstore giving an additional £2 of petrol / wear & tear. So the saving is now down to £6.60 a week on an unrealistic 20% saving on the co-op v other supermarket.

What if the new supermarket isn't Asda? If it's Tesco, there is possibly no saving at all.

 
Do you really want to persist with this approach? Why then is there such a strength of feeling against the co-op? There are loads of us out there, take a look. Do you think people really take kindly being told what to do in this way? The 'No' campaign needs to get some empathy and quickly. I am giving you and them some good advice here so don't dismiss it flippantly.

I'm persisting because I'm right, you'll find I'm often right.

I challenge you Mr lavish, get your £100 from the bank and do not use your card all week.

pay for your petrol with the cash & shop at the out of town supermarket.

The following week, take £100, leave you car in the drive. Work out your food requirements and go & shop locally, even avoid the co-op because you hate it so much.


I also can't understand how the argument is that you can't afford the co-op whilst you spend such a lot of money on food / household shopping.

I can almost guarantee your £100 will last & leave you with £££ to spare if you do the latter.

I'm sorry Duke Fame but I can't take you seriously at all with this, and I mean this in no way offensively. You say I need 10p per day per milk. We get through 5 - 8 pints of the stuff a day. We often have the washing machine running 3 times a day, sometimes more. We buy nappies, we buy many, many cleaning products and related items (did you notice I mentioned the 'etc' in there?

When did you last do a family shop for 5 or more people, with all the time constraints and other considerations that such a life entails. I spent a lot of time typing up that post earlier yet you have continued quoting theoretical price comparisons and in telling me how to manage my shopping. Please read it again and think about the points I was making.

I've not made the lifestyle choice to have such a large family so can't comment but you must benefit from economies of scale. 8pints of milk a day though? You'll have chrohns disease if you're not careful!

I'm sure you've got a lovely clean house but to buy many, many, many cleaning products a week is crazy.

Don't get me started on bowel diseases - another sadly specialist subject of mine! I'd best tell my 3 year old as he drinks the most out of anyone. What is this nasty, postmodern 'lifestyle choice' term that people keep quoting these days about family sizes? My kids are not a lifestyle - it just sounds weird and a bit creepy. Anyway, I digress.

It would be nice if I had some direct and relevant responses to what I went to effort of typing up earlier. As people seem to be skirting around it as a subject then I'll have to assume that they are spurning this opportunity to engage with the 'Yes' campaign, which would be sad.
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Henry_ on September 07, 2011, 11:44:16 PM
Flipping heck I have never had an enemy before, well not over a shopping list   ;). I know more than you will ever know about absolute poverty and I am pleased to say I have not come across this in MARPLE but I stand to be corrected !  By the way  HWL  I thought you told me you enjoyed a debate , so let's not have a bun fight because if I could cut and paste I would be a force to be reckoned with.   Lol lol  :D

 ;D , seriously though at risk of repeating myself don't underestimate how important and emotive an issue this is.
. I think I am missing something here the issue is very emotive on both sides !  But I will not have it turned into a class war because we have single mums, pensioners , low income families in the NO campaign and they are not pleading poverty so I think we all need to keep it real, or I will be working lots of overtime  ;D
The co-op thing is one of the most emotive issues for the Yes campaign MM. This is not a class war either. I for one am not pleading poverty. I am very middle class indeed! I just hate having the mick taken out of me by the co-op for the priviledge of shopping there.
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: tina on September 07, 2011, 11:44:30 PM
Duke you are being very rude tonight.
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Henry_ on September 07, 2011, 11:46:14 PM
Duke you are being very rude tonight.
I think he's just on a bit of a wind up mission Tina. I am taking the bait admittedly but not offended by it.
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Belle Star on September 07, 2011, 11:51:30 PM
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Prior to the announcement of the proposed plans for Hibbert Lane, was there a campaign or facebook page asking for a new supermarket in or was there the outcry about the Co-op?
How many years has the Co-op been the main shop in Marple?

A new supermarket would be a convenience and is not a necessity, is that convenience worth the effect
it will have on the Hibbert Lane area and centre as a whole? 

Exactly what I've been thinking since the "Yes" campaign started. Very well said!
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: tina on September 07, 2011, 11:52:05 PM
I'm getting offended for you, don't think its anyones business how many children we have etc... making rude comments like that is just making him look silly.
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Duke Fame on September 07, 2011, 11:54:26 PM
Duke you are being very rude tonight.

I would say I'm offended that you've only noticed tonight!
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Henry_ on September 07, 2011, 11:57:24 PM
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Prior to the announcement of the proposed plans for Hibbert Lane, was there a campaign or facebook page asking for a new supermarket in or was there the outcry about the Co-op?
How many years has the Co-op been the main shop in Marple?

A new supermarket would be a convenience and is not a necessity, is that convenience worth the effect
it will have on the Hibbert Lane area and centre as a whole?  

Exactly what I've been thinking since the "Yes" campaign started. Very well said!

Well, the No campaign (and I commend it absolutely for its passion and its energy) brought the whole possibility and concept of a new supermarket in Marple to all of us by shining a light on the goings on at CAMSFC. We'd never dream such a thing could be possible due to lack of land previously. Then the No campaign (less commendably) got its strategy wrong - in my humble opinion - and got a lot of people's backs up due to scare mongering and hectoring. The 'Yes' campaign was born out all of this. That's my take on it anyway for what it's worth.
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Sareena on September 07, 2011, 11:57:45 PM
. I think I am missing something here the issue is very emotive on both sides !  But I will not have it turned into a class war because we have single mums, pensioners , low income families in the NO campaign and they are not pleading poverty so I think we all need to keep it real, or I will be working lots of overtime  ;D
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I am a single mum, i am not pleading poverty, I am saying that i stuggle to buy all the things that are needed. I grow my own veg and make my own juice. I am willing to have the added traffic across from my house, not happy about it, but willing so that i can make regular savings. This is real. Maybe they are not pleading poverty because they have enough money to pay the prices in Marple or get a home delivery.
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There are ethical problems about disposable nappies that perhaps the co-op is correct in charging a premium for the environmental damage. Have you considered re-usable?
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My daughter was in reusable nappies from birth but eventually i had to stop. Replacing them is costly as is the nappy bin and sanitising liquid.
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Henry_ on September 07, 2011, 11:58:09 PM
Double post
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Duke Fame on September 07, 2011, 11:58:35 PM
I'm getting offended for you, don't think its anyones business how many children we have etc... making rude comments like that is just making him look silly.

I agree, if everyone is working and can afford it, it's no business of mine & therefore a choice, ultimately a lifestyle choice.
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Henry_ on September 08, 2011, 12:01:53 AM
Duke you are being very rude tonight.

I would say I'm offended that you've only noticed tonight!

 :o >:( ;D If you're not careful I'm going to stick my tongue out at you . . . :P
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: sooty2 on September 08, 2011, 12:03:31 AM
If people don't like the coop why are you using it, why don't you shop at Spar or Premier for basics like a lot of people do    Check out New Shop at Rosehill post and you will see people shop at Premier to save money

That is just a ridiculous and pointless post MM.... You can not get a weekly food shop from either the spar or Premier! I go there for bread and milk, because their price is fair, unlike the co-op 2 litre milk cost me £1.64 yesterday, kicked myself at the til because I could of got 2 for £2 at the spar.... but the rest of my shopping I cant get from the spar.
Help!! my head is spinning with the price of fish, Correct me if I am wrong.I can't see in the above posts where Miss M suggested you could get a weekly food shop at Premier or Spar.From what I can see, or have I missed something?Miss M mentions basics and Tina agrees that's what she buys.So what is Miss M saying sorry for in a later post? My head has been Duke Famed :'(
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Henry_ on September 08, 2011, 12:07:14 AM
If people don't like the coop why are you using it, why don't you shop at Spar or Premier for basics like a lot of people do    Check out New Shop at Rosehill post and you will see people shop at Premier to save money

That is just a ridiculous and pointless post MM.... You can not get a weekly food shop from either the spar or Premier! I go there for bread and milk, because their price is fair, unlike the co-op 2 litre milk cost me £1.64 yesterday, kicked myself at the til because I could of got 2 for £2 at the spar.... but the rest of my shopping I cant get from the spar.
Help!! my head is spinning with the price of fish, Correct me if I am wrong.I can't see in the above posts where Miss M suggested you could get a weekly food shop at Premier or Spar.From what I can see, or have I missed something?Miss M mentions basics and Tina agrees that's what she buys.So what is Miss M saying sorry for in a later post? My head has been Duke Famed :'(

I think I am the proud starter (albeit inadvertedly) of the fastest growing thread in Marple website history! It is getting a bit confusing though  :)
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Duke Fame on September 08, 2011, 12:12:16 AM
Some stuff

I do see your point on the coops monopoly. The coops usp is it's  ethical approach but not everyone appreciates paying the premium.

I am saying there is a realistic cost saving alternative to the hypermarket.

I also believe the coop can save itself by inviting a supermarket to take it's existing property which will help counter the YES folk
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: tina on September 08, 2011, 12:12:37 AM
If people don't like the coop why are you using it, why don't you shop at Spar or Premier for basics like a lot of people do    Check out New Shop at Rosehill post and you will see people shop at Premier to save money

That is just a ridiculous and pointless post MM.... You can not get a weekly food shop from either the spar or Premier! I go there for bread and milk, because their price is fair, unlike the co-op 2 litre milk cost me £1.64 yesterday, kicked myself at the til because I could of got 2 for £2 at the spar.... but the rest of my shopping I cant get from the spar.
Help!! my head is spinning with the price of fish, Correct me if I am wrong.I can't see in the above posts where Miss M suggested you could get a weekly food shop at Premier or Spar.From what I can see, or have I missed something?Miss M mentions basics and Tina agrees that's what she buys.So what is Miss M saying sorry for in a later post? My head has been Duke Famed :'(

aww Trixie dont be a spoil sport I was actually 'milking' the sorry from her then! first time she has said it to me :p ..

No joking asside, ... my point was she said to read the post about the new shop at rose hill which I believe is a closed topic now. That people was shopping there as it was cheaper, I was saying it was a pointless post as it wasnt along the lines of the conversation on this topic.   


Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Henry_ on September 08, 2011, 12:19:02 AM
Some typical inane drivel from Duke Fame who will of course take this in the spirit that it was intended as will admin
You will see that the Yes campaign is against a Hypermarket too, but not against something appropriately sized there to compete with the co-op. Only an idiot would argue that we need a Tesco Express or Asda Supercentre in Marple. Indeed I have pledged on facebook to run naked down Market Street if such a thing happens, so may as well repeat this vow here.  8)
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: jethroh65 on September 08, 2011, 12:23:06 AM
Some typical inane drivel from Duke Fame
You will see that the Yes campaign is against a Hypermarket too, but not against something appropriately sized there to compete with the co-op. Only an idiot would argue that we need a Tesco Express or Asda Supercentre in Marple. Indeed I have pledged on facebook to run naked down Market Street if such a thing happens, so may as well repeat this vow here.  8)
The thought of this will help the NO campaign no end  ;D               
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Henry_ on September 08, 2011, 12:25:11 AM
Some typical inane drivel from Duke Fame
You will see that the Yes campaign is against a Hypermarket too, but not against something appropriately sized there to compete with the co-op. Only an idiot would argue that we need a Tesco Express or Asda Supercentre in Marple. Indeed I have pledged on facebook to run naked down Market Street if such a thing happens, so may as well repeat this vow here.  8)
The thought of this will help the NO campaign no end  ;D               

On No! I meant a Tesco Extra not Express!! Where's that edit button? Damn you Tesco for your confusing branding  >:(
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Duke Fame on September 08, 2011, 09:02:41 AM
Ok mr 1973, we are in agreement. Hibbert lane is a big plot, away from the other shops and not really suitable for a supermarket.
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Henry_ on September 08, 2011, 09:12:24 AM
Ok mr 1973, we are in agreement. Hibbert lane is a big plot, away from the other shops and not really suitable for a supermarket.

It's not suitable for a hypermarket, which is what a Tesco Extra or an Asda Supercentre are. A supermarket would be good there IMHO.
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Duke Fame on September 08, 2011, 09:20:45 AM
Ok mr 1973, we are in agreement. Hibbert lane is a big plot, away from the other shops and not really suitable for a supermarket.

It's not suitable for a hypermarket, which is what a Tesco Extra or an Asda Supercentre are. A supermarket would be good there IMHO.

Wrong thread of course but how would you conclude that. Supermarketco are not going to buys plot for £12m and put a shop in that they could have fitted on a £2m plot. Such a move would have all the negatives & still not address the issues aimed at the coop
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Henry_ on September 08, 2011, 09:38:12 AM
Ok mr 1973, we are in agreement. Hibbert lane is a big plot, away from the other shops and not really suitable for a supermarket.

It's not suitable for a hypermarket, which is what a Tesco Extra or an Asda Supercentre are. A supermarket would be good there IMHO.

Wrong thread of course but how would you conclude that. Supermarketco are not going to buys plot for £12m and put a shop in that they could have fitted on a £2m plot. Such a move would have all the negatives & still not address the issues aimed at the coop
OK, check out the difference between a supermarket and a hypermarket. A supermarket could still be as big or bigger than the co-op.
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: JMC on September 08, 2011, 11:55:22 AM
I totally agree with HWL1973 on this thread. Shock horror, I have made a 'lifestyle choice' to have even more kids than him  ;D I even managed to 'choose' to have more than one at once!! (like other mums of multiples!)

I spend A LOT each week since there are alot of us  ;) and the Co-op just is far more expensive, I have tried many a time and still use it for 'bits'. Iceland is much better but you can only get proccessed stuff on the whole, no allergy free ranges etc. And I am sorry but when you have newborn twins and a toddler you ain't going to be using cloth nappies!!! That is like me telling you not to use your central heating unless it is zero temperatures outside.

HWL1973 is right in that these 'dictatorship' posts are what is putting people off coming onside with the 'No' campaign and are what made me skeptical in the first place. I talk to alot of people in Marple and ask them what they think. They almost always (if on the Yes side) say the Co-op is expensive. It is indeed one of the main reasons people are on the Yes side. Another thing is the savings in time. You simply cannot get round many shops with a double buggy or with 2 or more toddlers going in different directions. It makes me wonder how many of these people have fully grown children. My parents shop in the Co-op but they say they do it out of conveinience as there are only the two of them. No way did they do it when we were at home. Why would all these people make up that it is expensive?

Telling someone it is their fault for having more kids (because they don't shop where you think they should or want a cheaper store) is abit silly. It is true that empathy is lacking from the Yes side, not by everyone (indeed several have admitted another supermarket in a central location would be great)  but by several vocal members. Their just dismissing people's real problems (income/lack of time or transport/bowel/gluten/dairy intolerance etc.) isn't doing their side any favours. I would lean much more toward their side if they admitted that (like some have) that it would indeed be cheaper/easier/better for many people BUT they still feel it is outweighed by the risk to local shops/traffic etc. I feel it is to their detriment also that they (some)  are not showing empathy and just being dictorial or dismissive.

The people saying we should all use the Co-op, do they use all the local shops or do they ever use Amazon or big stores out of town?
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Duke Fame on September 08, 2011, 01:26:32 PM
Ok mr 1973, we are in agreement. Hibbert lane is a big plot, away from the other shops and not really suitable for a supermarket.

It's not suitable for a hypermarket, which is what a Tesco Extra or an Asda Supercentre are. A supermarket would be good there IMHO.

Wrong thread of course but how would you conclude that. Supermarketco are not going to buys plot for £12m and put a shop in that they could have fitted on a £2m plot. Such a move would have all the negatives & still not address the issues aimed at the coop
OK, check out the difference between a supermarket and a hypermarket. A supermarket could still be as big or bigger than the co-op.

I think you are dangerously close to edging into superstore territory.
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Belle Star on September 08, 2011, 03:48:28 PM
HWL1973 is right in that these 'dictatorship' posts are what is putting people off coming onside with the 'No' campaign and are what made me skeptical in the first place.

It is such a shame that people cannot differentiate between individuals' ideas and opinions on this forum and what MIA and the 'No' campaign are actually doing. Nobody on this forum speaks for MIA unless otherwise stated. There is a thread for MIA latest news which needs to be kept separate from all the debsting going on on all the other threads.

All MIA are trying to say (in my opinion  ;) ) is that they do not want a supermarket, ANY supermarket (not even Waitrose as people keep trying to insinuate) on the Hibbert Lane site as they believe it would be to the detriment of Marple and it's inhabitants. It really is that simple!!! MIA currently speak for the majority (in my opinion - based on the poll elsewhere on this forum and the question on the 'Yes' campaign's own Facebook page) and are simply trying to collect the facts and present them to the public so that they can be more informed when deciding how they feel about this situation.

I do hope that everybody getting involved in all the topics on this forum will be attending the rally on Saturday so that, if they have any questions, they can be answered by Andrew Stunnell or the Councillors and maybe people will start believing that MIA has been open and honest and only wants the best for the people of Marple (or the majority of them).

IN MY OPINION
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Sareena on September 08, 2011, 04:40:08 PM
HWL1973 is right in that these 'dictatorship' posts are what is putting people off coming onside with the 'No' campaign and are what made me skeptical in the first place.

It is such a shame that people cannot differentiate between individuals' ideas and opinions on this forum and what MIA and the 'No' campaign are actually doing. Nobody on this forum speaks for MIA unless otherwise stated. There is a thread for MIA latest news which needs to be kept separate from all the debsting going on on all the other threads.

All MIA are trying to say (in my opinion  ;) ) is that they do not want a supermarket, ANY supermarket (not even Waitrose as people keep trying to insinuate) on the Hibbert Lane site as they believe it would be to the detriment of Marple and it's inhabitants. It really is that simple!!! MIA currently speak for the majority (in my opinion - based on the poll elsewhere on this forum and the question on the 'Yes' campaign's own Facebook page) and are simply trying to collect the facts and present them to the public so that they can be more informed when deciding how they feel about this situation.

I do hope that everybody getting involved in all the topics on this forum will be attending the rally on Saturday so that, if they have any questions, they can be answered by Andrew Stunnell or the Councillors and maybe people will start believing that MIA has been open and honest and only wants the best for the people of Marple (or the majority of them).

IN MY OPINION

If they don't want a supermarket, Any supermarket... why do they keep thinking of other possible places a supermarket could be.?
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Smithy166 on September 08, 2011, 04:46:48 PM
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All MIA are trying to say (in my opinion  Wink ) is that they do not want a supermarket, ANY supermarket (not even Waitrose as people keep trying to insinuate) on the Hibbert Lane site
Thats why they keep suggesting alternative locations...
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Belle Star on September 08, 2011, 05:07:01 PM
HWL1973 is right in that these 'dictatorship' posts are what is putting people off coming onside with the 'No' campaign and are what made me skeptical in the first place.

It is such a shame that people cannot differentiate between individuals' ideas and opinions on this forum and what MIA and the 'No' campaign are actually doing. Nobody on this forum speaks for MIA unless otherwise stated. There is a thread for MIA latest news which needs to be kept separate from all the debsting going on on all the other threads.

All MIA are trying to say (in my opinion  ;) ) is that they do not want a supermarket, ANY supermarket (not even Waitrose as people keep trying to insinuate) on the Hibbert Lane site  as they believe it would be to the detriment of Marple and it's inhabitants. It really is that simple!!! MIA currently speak for the majority (in my opinion - based on the poll elsewhere on this forum and the question on the 'Yes' campaign's own Facebook page) and are simply trying to collect the facts and present them to the public so that they can be more informed when deciding how they feel about this situation.

I do hope that everybody getting involved in all the topics on this forum will be attending the rally on Saturday so that, if they have any questions, they can be answered by Andrew Stunnell or the Councillors and maybe people will start believing that MIA has been open and honest and only wants the best for the people of Marple (or the majority of them).

IN MY OPINION

If they don't want a supermarket, Any supermarket... why do they keep thinking of other possible places a supermarket could be.?

You didn't quote me correctly - they don't want any supermarket ON THE HIBBERT LANE SITE.

Under current planning regulations one of the arguments that a potential supermarket could try to use to force the council into granting planning permission is the one of sequentiality - that is, that there is no suitable alternative site within the "district centre" for them to put a supermarket. The council have already mentioned in an email which has been published elsewhere on this site that the land at Chadwick Street could be put forward by the council as a suitable alternative. MIA, to prove the point that it is the location not the idea of a supermarket altogether, have simply highlighted this and others are pushing them to say whether or not they would support it. It is not some notion put about by MIA members, it has come from the council and therefore, if it is within the district centre, and the council supports it, so would MIA.
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Howard on September 08, 2011, 05:31:28 PM
If they don't want a supermarket, Any supermarket... why do they keep thinking of other possible places a supermarket could be.?

You are mistaken. MIA are NOT saying no supermarket. They are saying no supermarket on THE HIBBERT LANE SITE. If you look closely at the NO posters you will see that.

There are alternatives to the Hibbert Lane site in the current commercial area which the council mentioned in an email already. One of those areas is Chadwick St which the council would support development on BEFORE they looked at development at Hibbert Lane.
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: JMC on September 08, 2011, 05:52:21 PM
HWL1973 is right in that these 'dictatorship' posts are what is putting people off coming onside with the 'No' campaign and are what made me skeptical in the first place.

It is such a shame that people cannot differentiate between individuals' ideas and opinions on this forum and what MIA and the 'No' campaign are actually doing. Nobody on this forum speaks for MIA unless otherwise stated. There is a thread for MIA latest news which needs to be kept separate from all the debsting going on on all the other threads.

All MIA are trying to say (in my opinion  ;) ) is that they do not want a supermarket, ANY supermarket (not even Waitrose as people keep trying to insinuate) on the Hibbert Lane site as they believe it would be to the detriment of Marple and it's inhabitants. It really is that simple!!! MIA currently speak for the majority (in my opinion - based on the poll elsewhere on this forum and the question on the 'Yes' campaign's own Facebook page) and are simply trying to collect the facts and present them to the public so that they can be more informed when deciding how they feel about this situation.

I do hope that everybody getting involved in all the topics on this forum will be attending the rally on Saturday so that, if they have any questions, they can be answered by Andrew Stunnell or the Councillors and maybe people will start believing that MIA has been open and honest and only wants the best for the people of Marple (or the majority of them).

IN MY OPINION

I didn't mention MIA, purposefully, just in general people saying No.
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Belle Star on September 08, 2011, 06:11:27 PM
HWL1973 is right in that these 'dictatorship' posts are what is putting people off coming onside with the 'No' campaign and are what made me skeptical in the first place.

It is such a shame that people cannot differentiate between individuals' ideas and opinions on this forum and what MIA and the 'No' campaign are actually doing. Nobody on this forum speaks for MIA unless otherwise stated. There is a thread for MIA latest news which needs to be kept separate from all the debsting going on on all the other threads.

All MIA are trying to say (in my opinion  ;) ) is that they do not want a supermarket, ANY supermarket (not even Waitrose as people keep trying to insinuate) on the Hibbert Lane site as they believe it would be to the detriment of Marple and it's inhabitants. It really is that simple!!! MIA currently speak for the majority (in my opinion - based on the poll elsewhere on this forum and the question on the 'Yes' campaign's own Facebook page) and are simply trying to collect the facts and present them to the public so that they can be more informed when deciding how they feel about this situation.

I do hope that everybody getting involved in all the topics on this forum will be attending the rally on Saturday so that, if they have any questions, they can be answered by Andrew Stunnell or the Councillors and maybe people will start believing that MIA has been open and honest and only wants the best for the people of Marple (or the majority of them).

IN MY OPINION

I didn't mention MIA, purposefully, just in general people saying No.

And I didn't necessarily mean you - I meant the people that you are referring to - they need to distinguish between MIA and individual opinions on here!
Title: Re: How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?
Post by: Rachael on September 09, 2011, 01:28:58 PM
Use a price comparrison website, I've been doing the Asda price challenge,  I didnt shop there before often, but I do now, and its saving me quite alot of money on the things I would have bought at other shops ( I dont buy meat from there anyway ) so its my general branded stuff .

Tesco were doing home deliverys for £2.50 a week or so ago .

On the price challenge website, Asda is working out on average about £11.00 per week cheaper than Morrisons, Sainsburys and Tesco on my weekly shop .

So its not going to run into a thousand pounds a year for my family  but its a good few hundred pounds :)