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Archive => Archived Boards => Sale of Hibbert Lane Campus to Supermarket Chain => Topic started by: Osdog on August 05, 2011, 01:29:01 PM

Title: How Big will this Tesco / ASDA be ?
Post by: Osdog on August 05, 2011, 01:29:01 PM: I've worked my way through an awful lot of the threads here, and I can't find any information with regard to the Sq footage of the site.

I assume that the supermarket will not take up the whole of the site, as part has to be for recreation (am I right in this assumption?) - so, my vote on whether I would approve or not would I think be partly influenced by how large it was. I'd hate to see something the size of the Tesco in Stockport going on there, but if it was one of those small units (Tesco Metro) then it would be a great bit of competition to the Co-Op.

I suspect it'll be somewhere in between the two.

Thoughts ??
Title: Re: How Big will this Tesco / ASDA be ?
Post by: admin on August 05, 2011, 01:37:06 PM: The word is that is is more likely to be Asda but that's by-the-by. No plans have been submitted yet, so nobody knows what the intentions are. But if you were paying £12M for the site how big would you make it?

My thoughts on what will probably happen is that they will put the first plans in as big as they possibly can so that they can give concessions to public demand as the rejection / appeal process was followed. This is similar to housing projects too. So it will be as big as they can get away with.
Title: Re: How Big will this Tesco / ASDA be ?
Post by: Tricky on August 05, 2011, 01:39:17 PM: Sensible post Osdog

almost all of the threads/posts are based on guess work and chinese whispers
Title: Re: How Big will this Tesco / ASDA be ?
Post by: moorendman on August 05, 2011, 01:48:55 PM: Guess work and Chinese whispers??? I don't think that's fair. As nothing has been published yet , then there has to be a certain amount of deduction made. ( a preferable word to guesswork ) What has been published in various formats , some now withdrawn , is the intention of the college to sell to fund building elsewhere. This was all sufficient for the complete set of local councillors and the MBC planning officer to attend a meeting about it all. Not a Chinese whisper in my view, but something rather more concrete.

As regards the size of any potential supermarket, there have been two posts made which include visual comparisons of the Hibbert Lane site with the Tesco site in Stockport. These are to scale and give an indication of what could be done. No supermarket is going to pay £12 million for a site and build a convenience/express type shop on it. Regardless of the cost, it would be in the wrong position. Any Tesco Metro type store would be certainly located in the centre of Marple.
Title: Re: How Big will this Tesco / ASDA be ?
Post by: Victor M on August 05, 2011, 03:44:43 PM: At the meeting in the Park SMBC Planning Officers stated that it would be about the same size as the Morrissons at Cheadle Heath (The one near Avondale Swimming Pool).
Title: Re: How Big will this Tesco / ASDA be ?
Post by: sgk on August 05, 2011, 04:12:50 PM: Quote from: Victor M on August 05, 2011, 03:44:43 PM
At the meeting in the Park SMBC Planning Officers stated that it would be about the same size as the Morrissons at Cheadle Heath (The one near Avondale Swimming Pool).

There was an earlier post on the forum (http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=3554.msg16408#msg16408) which included a good comparison of the plot sizes.
Title: Re: How Big will this Tesco / ASDA be ?
Post by: Maria on August 05, 2011, 06:51:46 PM: Been advised by the college that the playing fields and car park have to remain as open space-cannot be built on and cannot be used for car park for the store-the existing college footprint will be where the store and car park will be subject to planning.
Title: Re: How Big will this Tesco / ASDA be ?
Post by: Miss Marple on August 06, 2011, 01:30:27 AM: The size of Six football pitches !
Title: Re: How Big will this Tesco / ASDA be ?
Post by: Lisa Oldham on August 06, 2011, 09:21:18 AM: and isnt the block to develop only for a certain amount of time? After so many years they can redevelop the whole lot? sure i read that here in last few weeks!
Title: Re: How Big will this Tesco / ASDA be ?
Post by: Belly on August 06, 2011, 11:21:45 AM: Quote from: Miss Marple on August 06, 2011, 01:30:27 AM
The size of Six football pitches !

Wheres the proof that the building would be that big Miss M?

And please don't use Portwood as an example, as any store at Marple would not be the size of a borough centered store located next to a major motorway junction.
Title: Re: How Big will this Tesco / ASDA be ?
Post by: Smithy166 on August 06, 2011, 03:27:40 PM: Quote from: Belly on August 06, 2011, 11:21:45 AM
Quote from: Miss Marple on August 06, 2011, 01:30:27 AM
The size of Six football pitches !

Wheres the proof that the building would be that big Miss M?

And please don't use Portwood as an example, as any store at Marple would not be the size of a borough centered store located next to a major motorway junction.

I think its more like the size of 3 1/2 football pitches (well, 3 1/2 manchester united football pitches)
Title: Re: How Big will this Tesco / ASDA be ?
Post by: alstan on August 08, 2011, 09:42:19 AM: 6 football pitches! The area of Manchester City’s pitch is 8,816 sq m. The gross area of Tesco Portwood store, the gross area, not the sales area, is 11,095sq m. ie 1.25 the times of a football pitch. “Belly” is entirely right about the potential nature of the store and there can be little doubt that any store to be built would be significantly smaller that a football pitch. There is, of course, the car park as well but if, as Maria says, the development including the car park has to be within the footprint of the existing buildings it will be compact.
If Lisa is right and there is potential for easing of restrictions and enlarged development in the future that is only likely to happen if the store is a success and its support by people in Marple and surrounding areas is established.

Part of this post has been removed as it covers another topic and has also been posted the relevant thread. Admin.
Title: Re: How Big will this Tesco / ASDA be ?
Post by: Victor Meldrew on August 08, 2011, 07:53:50 PM: Quote from: Osdog on August 05, 2011, 01:29:01 PM
I've worked my way through an awful lot of the threads here, and I can't find any information with regard to the Sq footage of the site.

I assume that the supermarket will not take up the whole of the site, as part has to be for recreation (am I right in this assumption?) - so, my vote on whether I would approve or not would I think be partly influenced by how large it was. I'd hate to see something the size of the Tesco in Stockport going on there, but if it was one of those small units (Tesco Metro) then it would be a great bit of competition to the Co-Op.

I suspect it'll be somewhere in between the two.

Thoughts ??

The Stockport Council people on other threads have said that the UDP only allows retail use up to 200 square metres, which would be smaller than the Coop's little brother at the bottom of Church Lane. Anything bigger and SMBC will oppose it.

However, SMBC put a size limit on the Tesco store 4 miles down the road a few years ago, only for Tesco to build one 25% bigger anyway!

Tesco and the other big supermarkets have a sympathetic government which believes in past=tracking planning applications.so we are up against it unless we make a very big noise indeed at an early a stage as possible, starting with the protest march on 20 August (2pm, precinct).
Title: Re: How Big will this Tesco / ASDA be ?
Post by: sgk on August 08, 2011, 08:11:23 PM: Quote from: Victor Meldrew on August 08, 2011, 07:53:50 PM
Tesco and the other big supermarkets have a sympathetic government which believes in past=tracking planning applications.so we are up against it unless we make a very big noise indeed at an early a stage as possible, starting with the protest march on 20 August (2pm, precinct).

Agreed. Sympathetic government, endless appeals, brigades of consultants, aggressive approach, it's all reported here on the BBC's article "Growth of the 'big four' supermarkets" (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-11936734).

Saturday 20th August 2pm, precinct
Title: Re: How Big will this Tesco / ASDA be ?
Post by: admin on August 12, 2011, 07:53:45 PM: An interesting bit of work here from a member of MiA. The Co-Op has been transposed onto the Hibbert Lane site at the same scale to show just how big the site is. There is enough room for 4 Co-Ops!

(http://www.marple-uk.com/marple-in-action/Marple-co-op-transposed-onto-college-site.jpeg)
Title: Re: How Big will this Tesco / ASDA be ?
Post by: Miss Marple on August 12, 2011, 08:00:46 PM: It's worse than even I imagined , it really brings it home when you see it like that.

SHAME ON YOU CAMSFC !!
Title: Re: How Big will this Tesco / ASDA be ?
Post by: rsh on August 12, 2011, 08:32:56 PM: Quote from: admin on August 12, 2011, 07:53:45 PM
An interesting bit of work here from a member of MiA. The Co-Op has been transposed onto the Hibbert Lane site at the same scale to show just how big the site is. There is enough room for 4 Co-Ops!
Well, not really - not if you include the delivery areas, car parking, landscaping, access roads. I see the point people are trying to make - this is a very big site - but this kind of useless scaremongering helps no-one. In fact, I'm seeing a lot of people beginning to just laugh at this campaigning because of such melodramatic scaremongering. It's becoming the joke of the town. You're loosing potential supporters by acting like the sky is falling on Marple before we even know any of the details.

How big could a supermarket on this site be? Bigger than the Co-op probably, if only to give it an edge, but I doubt if it would approach even the size of Tesco Whaley Bridge (which is built largely away from housing, with good road links) let alone a Tesco Extra. In fact, if we're talking ASDA now, it might even fall under their new "ASDA Supermarket" brand, which are Aldi/Lidl/Netto-size stores. Neighbourhood supermarkets, not motorway hypermarkets. There is no business sense in a supermarket putting that kind of floorspace on this site.
Title: Re: How Big will this Tesco / ASDA be ?
Post by: Miss Marple on August 13, 2011, 01:31:30 AM: 13 MILLION POUNDS BIG !!!!!! :-X
Title: Re: How Big will this Tesco / ASDA be ?
Post by: alstan on August 13, 2011, 10:53:08 AM: I agree rsh. Thank good someone is being rational and objective. It is unlikely to be more than half the size of a football pitch, about 4,500sq m plus a free car park within walking distance of Market Street.. I was in Towcester yesterday. A market town population about 20,000, ie smaller than Marple. It has a Coop supermarket and a Waitrose within yards of Watling Street, the main shopping street, a Tesco Superstore and Homebase about 400m away, and a thriving shopping street. The Tesco is approx 3600sq m.
Title: Re: How Big will this Tesco / ASDA be ?
Post by: amazon on August 13, 2011, 09:00:18 PM: Quote from: Miss Marple on August 13, 2011, 01:31:30 AM
13 MILLION POUNDS BIG !!!!!! :-X
not a lot of money by todays standards
Title: Re: How Big will this Tesco / ASDA be ?
Post by: Miss Marple on August 13, 2011, 09:31:52 PM: Quote from: amazon on August 13, 2011, 09:00:18 PM
Quote from: Miss Marple on August 13, 2011, 01:31:30 AM
13 MILLION POUNDS BIG !!!!!! :-X
not a lot of money by todays standards

Blimey who do you work for ? :-\
Title: Re: How Big will this Tesco / ASDA be ?
Post by: Smithy166 on August 13, 2011, 09:36:05 PM: Quote from: amazon on August 13, 2011, 09:00:18 PM
Quote from: Miss Marple on August 13, 2011, 01:31:30 AM
13 MILLION POUNDS BIG !!!!!! :-X
not a lot of money by todays standards

Just to put 13 million pounds into perspective, A new helictoper costs around 2 million, a decent second hand 260ft long icebreaker will set you back around 7 million, a mansion around 1 to 2 million. Its not a "small" amount of money by any means, Especailly for a plot of land the size of COM.
Title: Re: How Big will this Tesco / ASDA be ?
Post by: Osdog on August 16, 2011, 07:15:48 PM: Thank you for all the replies to this one...... I'll keep reading.
Title: Re: How Big will this Tesco / ASDA be ?
Post by: amazon on August 16, 2011, 09:16:19 PM: Quote from: Miss Marple on August 13, 2011, 09:31:52 PM
Quote from: amazon on August 13, 2011, 09:00:18 PM
Quote from: Miss Marple on August 13, 2011, 01:31:30 AM
13 MILLION POUNDS BIG !!!!!! :-X
not a lot of money by to days standards

Blimey who do you work for ? :-\
I Dont retired . their learent a bit more .
Title: Re: How Big will this Tesco / ASDA be ?
Post by: rsh on October 21, 2011, 10:24:33 PM: Sorry to dig this topic up, but a quick search of "proposed ASDA supermarkets" brought up a potential example to add here from a place called Forfar.

Take a look here: http://www.asdaforfar.co.uk

There's a PDF plan of the development (http://www.asdaforfar.co.uk/pdf/forfar-plan.pdf) on there -- and here's the actual view on Google Maps: http://g.co/maps/tf346

The site is more of a square than the rectangle on Hibbert Lane, but they are eerily similar in size. Also interesting: the block in the bottom-left of the Forfar plan is actually an affordable housing development (16 flats). Creating 230 jobs, the store has a 339 space car park and the development is costing £24m to build.

And as far as ASDA stores go (usually the ugliest of the lot, unfortunately), this one doesn't look too bad:

(http://www.thecourier.co.uk/img/photos/biz/photo_16529_wide_crop.jpg)

Couple of articles: http://www.thecourier.co.uk/News/Angus/article/17635/forfar-s-new-asda-store-has-10-applicants-for-every-job.html
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/News/Angus/article/9373/asda-given-green-light-to-build-24m-forfar-superstore.html

The store itself is somewhere just less than twice the size of Marple Co-Op judging by the plans, but that includes service areas.