I haven't shopped at a Tesco in some time and am even more less inclined to do so since they had a promotion that used greyhound racing as a 'lure'. The racing industry is vile and cruel please look at this site:
http://www.greyhoundaction.org.uk/greyhound.html
Tesco or Sainsbury - NO on principle >:(
If located on Hibbert Lane - whatever it was, definitely NO on principle >:(
Wouldn't mind a small scale alternative to the Co-op located in the old Hanbury's or Iceland (Iceland Group is currently up for sale, so the store on Market St may eventually change hands depending who buys out the Group), or some other suitable location within the District Centre, preferably not Tesco or Sainsburys though! :)
Would prefer to see the Hibbert Lane campus used for affordable housing for young families or retired folks and something like a community centre for the benefit of Marple people. :) :)
As I said before - how come a small group of College Governors can hold Marple to ransom ???
If they were forced to improve the roads and help the college financially as a condition of coming here then all the better: I don't recall the Co-op doing either.
I'm willing to bet that some posters who swear they would never shop there on principle (or in Duke's case, on principal) would eventually do so, occasionally at least. There are times when you need to buy stuff and you simply haven't got time to drive further away.
I think this is a really interesting and complex issue, and the more I think about it the more uncertain I become as to what the best outcome might be.
On the one hand, there are clear benefits to the community if the college sells the site for a supermarket:
1. The college gets a shiny new building, purpose built and energy-efficient. That is a major boost for the quality of educational facilities for our children and grandchildren.
2. There is an unhealthy monopoly of supermarket provision in Marple. The Co-op has two, and apart from Iceland, that's all there is. This scheme would provide some much-needed competition.
3. Many local residents drive to supermarkets outside Marple to shop, causing traffic congestion elsewhere, and environmental pollution. A supermarket in Hibbert Lane would be within walking distance, or a very short drive or bus ride, for most of us.
And on the other hand, there is one clear disadvantage: an increase in traffic congestion within Marple, and especially around the Hibbert lane/Church Lane and Hibbert Lane/Stockport Road junctions, which are already clogged up at times. Also on Marple Ridge and Windlehurst Road, as people from Disley and High Lane drive to shop here. These are both narrow and winding lanes, unsuited to lots of traffic.
Apart from these factors, there remains one big uncertainty: the effect on local shops. Some posters on this forum seem to assume that the arrival of a Tesco or Sainsbury's in Marple would automatically drive local shops out of business, but I'm not so sure. Ask the people at Hollins Electrical or Archer's or the toy shop what they think of having a supermarket across the road - I bet they don't mind a bit! No, the reality could be more complex - some shops might be affected, and may even close, but others would thrive, and new shops open, as many more people shop in Marple, instead of going to Hazel Grove, Bredbury or Stockport. But it's a free market - ultimately competition drives standards up and prices down: small local shops which continue to provide personal service, and quality at a competitive price, will survive and even thrive.
I would use another store if it was not on the Hibbert Lane Site. Hey has anyone bothered to ask the large cluster of elderly people who will be most effected by the development due to living at the side and across the road from it. Oops! most of them havent got acsess to the internet, blimey most don't own a car either to get to the meeting. Strange old world that the people who it will directly affect are the ones least likely to have a voice. I don't live as near to the development as they do ! Do you ???
I honestly believe that if we get this right, it could turn out to be one of the best things that ever happened to Marple. We've got lots of excellent local shops - I won't make a list of examples because I'm bound to forget one or two and inadvertently offend someone. But we all know which they are. What they need most is more business, which means attracting more people to shop in Marple, both from the surrounding area and from within Marple itself. Let's be confident and believe in our local shops - they are really good, and when more people discover that, they will want to come and shop here, instead of going to Stockport, Hazel Grove, Glossop etc.
How to do that? Attract what developers call an 'anchor tenant' - a major store with a national profile which will draw new shoppers into the town. A supermarket could fulfill this function. People would drive here, park, do their weekly shop, then have a stroll down Market Street, have a coffee, discover some of our other excellent shops, maybe have a walk along the canal, and than a drink and/or a meal at one of our excellent pubs, cafes and wine bars.
do you live on. The main route to the college or in the immediate vicinity ?No, and as I have said elsewhere, I agree that potential traffic congestion is an issue of real concern.
If everyone was inclined to act as you believe they will act, they will look in the Co-op, buy the basics, cross the road to the bakery and then if they want some cheap deals, walk up to Iceland & the pound plus.Funnily enough, that's more or less what I already do myself, except I tend to walk past Iceland and go to John Neal's greengrocer's.
If everyone was inclined to act as you believe they will act, they will look in the Co-op, buy the basics, cross the road to the bakery and then if they want some cheap deals, walk up to Iceland & the pound plus.Funnily enough, that's more or less what I already do myself, except I tend to walk past Iceland and go to John Neal's greengrocer's.
You are pretty much undoing your argument that Marple needs a large supermarket. Already you acknowledge there is competition in price & quality within the town. That competition is within walking distance of the 3 car parks. I'd suggest all is needed is the parking meters to be removed and there is no need at all for a Tesco/sainsbury/Asda/Morereasons
The Market street area will become like Edgeley, new mills etc. with a lot of empty shops or temporary leases.
To use the Coop in Marple many, many people (myself included) walk / travel well over a mile so I don't fully understand your point as I would still consider that to be local?
people are very lazy, they will not walk to the town from a supermarket on Hibbert lane they will see it as 200 yds too far. I’ve seen people shop in Morrisons and drive to Homebase, they will not walk around Marple.
I thought that fighing for local shops was more important that having to travel to either Hazel Grove, Bredbury or if you really want to shop at Tescos Glossop or Whalley Bridge.
I have spoke to a few people about the possible supermarket and their view and am surprised how many people seem keen on the idea. Mainly as they don't like the coop as it is expensive and some people mention jobs.
Also after what happened with closing Offerton School and the 2 marple Schools, I don't really believe the council actually will listen, plentry of people protested there too.
If the Hibbert Lane site was developed to include affordable housing, a family friendly pub, a leisure centre with swimming pool and a children's play area then this would benefit the people of Marple.
I would use another store if it was not on the Hibbert Lane Site. Hey has anyone bothered to ask the large cluster of elderly people who will be most effected by the development due to living at the side and across the road from it. Oops! most of them havent got acsess to the internet, blimey most don't own a car either to get to the meeting. Strange old world that the people who it will directly affect are the ones least likely to have a voice. I don't live as near to the development as they do ! Do you ???
A Tesco would be ide ;)al for them just bob across the road .
Honest answers please some of you have said you shop regularly in Marple but not for your main shopYes
would you use tesco or any other supermarket if it came to Marple .
In answer to the question, yes I would use a supermarket if it came to Marple , I get annoyed with myself every time I spend money in the co op becausse its so expensive :( .... Asda would be great , but whether it would be great on Hibbert Lane is a different thing .
Yes ! I am not against any supermarket but not on Hibbert Lane where most of our elderly residents live in the bungalows and across the road in flatsHonest answers please some of you have said you shop regularly in Marple but not for your main shopYes
would you use tesco or any other supermarket if it came to Marple .
Yes ! I am not against any supermarket but not on Hibbert Lane where most of our elderly residents live in the bungalows and across the road in flatsHonest answers please some of you have said you shop regularly in Marple but not for your main shopYes
would you use tesco or any other supermarket if it came to Marple .
Yes ! I am not against any supermarket but not on Hibbert Lane where most of our elderly residents live in the bungalows and across the road in flatsHonest answers please some of you have said you shop regularly in Marple but not for your main shopYes
would you use tesco or any other supermarket if it came to Marple .
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Re your ignorant and ageist remarks Duke Fame
You are beyond belief ! Most of the elderly I am referring to can not walk and are reliant on others to wash dress, feed and shop for them!
That's quite a good point, having a shop too close will mean the elderly don't get enough exercise
Yes ! I am not against any supermarket but not on Hibbert Lane where most of our elderly residents live in the bungalows and across the road in flatsHonest answers please some of you have said you shop regularly in Marple but not for your main shopYes
would you use tesco or any other supermarket if it came to Marple .
That's quite a good point, having a shop too close will mean the elderly don't get enough exercise
Yes ! I am not against any supermarket but not on Hibbert Lane where most of our elderly residents live in the bungalows and across the road in flatsHonest answers please some of you have said you shop regularly in Marple but not for your main shopYes
would you use tesco or any other supermarket if it came to Marple .
That's quite a good point, having a shop too close will mean the elderly don't get enough exercise
I understand the need for debate, but that david was uncalled for.
Your ageist remarks are not welcome and for your information, most of the elderly around that college site were born bred and worked in our mill industry I KNOW ! I understand that you are to new to the area and possibly do not understand that we are a strong close nit community going back many generations and that we all really know one another, one way or another Most people would aspire to retire in the country after a life time of working so why oh why would you think that our elderly locals deserve to live in such close proximity to a huge commercial operation MARPLE people have always welcomed new people into our community but there is always is an exception
???Your ageist remarks are not welcome and for your information, most of the elderly around that college site were born bred and worked in our mill industry I KNOW ! I understand that you are to new to the area and possibly do not understand that we are a strong close nit community going back many generations and that we all really know one another, one way or another Most people would aspire to retire in the country after a life time of working so why oh why would you think that our elderly locals deserve to live in such close proximity to a huge commercial operation MARPLE people have always welcomed new people into our community but there is always is an exceptionIt's not agist at all, we all get old at some point, I have a father who is older than me so I know. I was
simply making the point that a supermarket on Hibbert lane could actually be a benefit to the elderly
Hibbert Lane rather than a hindrance. As eyesores go, a store is not going to be as intrusive as say the mills
once were also think it's irrelevant that I'm not local, I'm local now
???Your ageist remarks are not welcome and for your information, most of the elderly around that college site were born bred and worked in our mill industry I KNOW ! I understand that you are to new to the area and possibly do not understand that we are a strong close nit community going back many generations and that we all really know one another, one way or another Most people would aspire to retire in the country after a life time of working so why oh why would you think that our elderly locals deserve to live in such close proximity to a huge commercial operation MARPLE people have always welcomed new people into our community but there is always is an exceptionIt's not agist at all, we all get old at some point, I have a father who is older than me so I know. I was
simply making the point that a supermarket on Hibbert lane could actually be a benefit to the elderly
Hibbert Lane rather than a hindrance. As eyesores go, a store is not going to be as intrusive as say the mills
once were also think it's irrelevant that I'm not local, I'm local now
???Your ageist remarks are not welcome and for your information, most of the elderly around that college site were born bred and worked in our mill industry I KNOW ! I understand that you are to new to the area and possibly do not understand that we are a strong close nit community going back many generations and that we all really know one another, one way or another Most people would aspire to retire in the country after a life time of working so why oh why would you think that our elderly locals deserve to live in such close proximity to a huge commercial operation MARPLE people have always welcomed new people into our community but there is always is an exceptionIt's not agist at all, we all get old at some point, I have a father who is older than me so I know. I was
simply making the point that a supermarket on Hibbert lane could actually be a benefit to the elderly
Hibbert Lane rather than a hindrance. As eyesores go, a store is not going to be as intrusive as say the mills
once were also think it's irrelevant that I'm not local, I'm local now
Just out of question, have you ever seen "elderly" people shopping? They don't just go to the nearest place because they "don't have to walk as far" they go to make a day of it, they go because they can talk to people, stop at a nice shop for a coffee and a chat with friends.
Also, just for the record, my names dan, Marjorie.
Yes when the mills were built they were an eyesore, but now they are accepted, and they give this village something that many places don't have.
???Your ageist remarks are not welcome and for your information, most of the elderly around that college site were born bred and worked in our mill industry I KNOW ! I understand that you are to new to the area and possibly do not understand that we are a strong close nit community going back many generations and that we all really know one another, one way or another Most people would aspire to retire in the country after a life time of working so why oh why would you think that our elderly locals deserve to live in such close proximity to a huge commercial operation MARPLE people have always welcomed new people into our community but there is always is an exceptionIt's not agist at all, we all get old at some point, I have a father who is older than me so I know. I was
simply making the point that a supermarket on Hibbert lane could actually be a benefit to the elderly
Hibbert Lane rather than a hindrance. As eyesores go, a store is not going to be as intrusive as say the mills
once were also think it's irrelevant that I'm not local, I'm local now
Just out of question, have you ever seen "elderly" people shopping? They don't just go to the nearest place because they "don't have to walk as far" they go to make a day of it, they go because they can talk to people, stop at a nice shop for a coffee and a chat with friends.
Also, just for the record, my names dan, Marjorie.
Yes when the mills were built they were an eyesore, but now they are accepted, and they give this village something that many places don't have.
So much so that they knocked it down , Marge.
I'm simply makeingg the point that the lederly card isn't going to work as any supermarket will spin the supermarket as a benefit not a hinderence.
Its mad that anyone take Duke Fames obviously badly chosen but clearly sarky remark as offensive and ageist! A lot of wasted energy has gone into it and his point has once again been lost.. His point is clear and i agree with it and it shouldn't be ignored. The truth is we have to deal with factual not emotional information to stop any supermarket. If they get the damn thing built it will be used(including by the elderly) it will be a success and it will make profit... ie they are not scared of us yet!
We have to have a well reasoned argument based totally and utterly on planning legislation to beat them if it gets to planning stage. I personally believe it can be done however if we bring in the poor little elderly (of which many in Marple cant half still pack a punch intellectually if not physically!) or the poor little children or any other poor little thing... then those arguments just wont wash.
Its mad that anyone take Duke Fames obviously badly chosen but clearly sarky remark as offensive and ageist! A lot of wasted energy has gone into it and his point has once again been lost.. His point is clear and i agree with it and it shouldn't be ignored. The truth is we have to deal with factual not emotional information to stop any supermarket. If they get the damn thing built it will be used(including by the elderly) it will be a success and it will make profit... ie they are not scared of us yet!There are a lot of people would like and alternative to the coop and not have to go to bredbury or hazel grove ,your asuming that if its ever built do you mean to tell me no one from marple will go . just to save some shops i dont think so .
We have to have a well reasoned argument based totally and utterly on planning legislation to beat them if it gets to planning stage. I personally believe it can be done however if we bring in the poor little elderly (of which many in Marple cant half still pack a punch intellectually if not physically!) or the poor little children or any other poor little thing... then those arguments just wont wash.
We should stop jumping on each others antagonistic remarks and differences of opinions.. if we are on the same side - which i "think" duke is - then he just may well add a different but useful viewpoint to the central groups. we do need to cover ALL angles to win..
Its mad that anyone take Duke Fames obviously badly chosen but clearly sarky remark as offensive and ageist! A lot of wasted energy has gone into it and his point has once again been lost.. His point is clear and i agree with it and it shouldn't be ignored. The truth is we have to deal with factual not emotional information to stop any supermarket. If they get the damn thing built it will be used(including by the elderly) it will be a success and it will make profit... ie they are not scared of us yet!
We have to have a well reasoned argument based totally and utterly on planning legislation to beat them if it gets to planning stage. I personally believe it can be done however if we bring in the poor little elderly (of which many in Marple cant half still pack a punch intellectually if not physically!) or the poor little children or any other poor little thing... then those arguments just wont wash.
We should stop jumping on each others antagonistic remarks and differences of opinions.. if we are on the same side - which i "think" duke is - then he just may well add a different but useful viewpoint to the central groups. we do need to cover ALL angles to win..
Its mad that anyone take Duke Fames obviously badly chosen but clearly sarky remark as offensive and ageist! A lot of wasted energy has gone into it and his point has once again been lost.. His point is clear and i agree with it and it shouldn't be ignored. The truth is we have to deal with factual not emotional information to stop any supermarket. If they get the damn thing built it will be used(including by the elderly) it will be a success and it will make profit... ie they are not scared of us yet!Well said.
We have to have a well reasoned argument based totally and utterly on planning legislation to beat them if it gets to planning stage. I personally believe it can be done however if we bring in the poor little elderly (of which many in Marple cant half still pack a punch intellectually if not physically!) or the poor little children or any other poor little thing... then those arguments just wont wash.
We should stop jumping on each others antagonistic remarks and differences of opinions.. if we are on the same side - which i "think" duke is - then he just may well add a different but useful viewpoint to the central groups. we do need to cover ALL angles to win..
duty of care re planning i would say means safety.. primarily road safety... making sure theres places to cross, enough space for cars, road wide enough etc etc.. all of which any planning app will cover. You can argue that there is a duty of care to feel safe in ones home.. something we used alot, however not being happy a supermarket is close to your home I doubt would fall into that category!Now were cooking ! My point exactly ! But believe me there is a duty to care in law, for once in my life I do know what I am talking about, I do it every working day :o
There is a moral duty of care of course.. however the legal system which ultimately any planning app will face via planning inspectorate and maybe even judicial review doesnt give 2 hoots about morality.
It does however make very good media headlines :)
tell me now how it affects a planning decision beyond safety?.
I have been speaking to a few more people in Marple and surprised that quite a few people are in favour of the supermarket. Some of the comments; one person said that it is Ok people objecting, they often have cars and internet access so they can make the choice to go somewhere cheaper, some people cannot and so have little choice but to use more expensive shops in the immeidiate area. Another one said she uses Tesco anyway so it won't make a difference. So it seems not everyone is against it, I would say of the people i have asked about 2/3 are against and 1/3 for it. I feel to get anywhere these kind of comments need addressing. If saving money is your primary objective and a cheaper shop is on the cards, what reason is there to convince them of it not being a good idea? Perhaps instead there should be more focus on traffic and things like that. When i mentioned traffic to someone in favour, she did seem to think again.
Age Concern , now Age UK are interested now re the vulnerability of the elderly around the area. Which is great news ! The more the better I say ! Stockport as well as having responsibility re planning have a legal requirement in their duty of care for vulnerable adults and children in this case So I'll be alright then ;DGreat. CREASTED NEWTS WERE SEEN CROSING THE ROAD TOWARDS THE RIDGE LAST NIGHT.
... If it means that there isn't such a stream of Marpudlians(?) driving several extra miles to a decent supermarket in Bredbury or Hazel Grove that would be good for the environment...
I don't believe they do.
I would use it, and so would most of us, including many of those who are making the most noise in opposing the idea! What concerns me is that the fuss and commotion created by these vociferous opponents, who now appear to have bullied our councillors into acquiescence, could create the impression that they represent a majority view. I don't believe they do.
People living on Hibbert Lane are worried it would effect the value of their homes....surely not as much as a college with a youth centre outside where drunken fights are known to break out!
I don't believe they do.
Having been at the other end of that, with councillors attempting to intimidate me on several occasions ..and in fact at one point two notable very tall male marple councillors ( I'm only 5 7!) .. one still in office who was at the park... shouting and screaming at me in a council chamber.. I think they can deal with a little bit of gentle intimidation from a crowd of Marple folk. No I wasn't at the meeting but I've seen the you tube and I'm sorry they were VERY well behaved!!
Tesco - yes
Asda - yes
We currently buy all our meat, bread etc from Marple shops and do ourbigshop at Tesco either on-line or at Whalley Bridge. Our shopping habits wouldn't change we would just do our big shop at whichever supermarket that waste open on Hibbert Lane.
Were you at the meeting in the park, Smithy?Unfortunatly I had prior arangements, however, I did send a Friend there to act as a Rep, and a few family friends were also in attendance.
I would definitely shop at any supermarket that was to open on Hibbert Lane. I buy what I can at Iceland (because I like the staff in there and the prices are good) and that won't change. I object to paying over the odds for food as close to it's sell by date as they can get away with, so I don't shop at Co-op (plus I like the staff to at least acknowledge me when I shop, not continue their conversation with their colleagues!) Therefore at the moment I buy essentials at Iceland and drive at least 4/5 miles to Morrisons or Asda. Plus, what a Godsend it would be to have a new Swimming baths/leisure centre!!! Marple baths is shocking!! :o Let's hope they have a petrol station too!!
I would definitely shop at any supermarket that was to open on Hibbert Lane. I buy what I can at Iceland (because I like the staff in there and the prices are good) and that won't change. I object to paying over the odds for food as close to it's sell by date as they can get away with, so I don't shop at Co-op (plus I like the staff to at least acknowledge me when I shop, not continue their conversation with their colleagues!) Therefore at the moment I buy essentials at Iceland and drive at least 4/5 miles to Morrisons or Asda. Plus, what a Godsend it would be to have a new Swimming baths/leisure centre!!! Marple baths is shocking!! :o Let's hope they have a petrol station too!!i Totally agree, i do not drive so unfortunatly i have to burden friends and family and ask them to take me shopping....that or regretably shop in the over-priced, stuck up co-op.
Anyone thinking they spend less in a large supermarket might do well to do some reading up on supermarket psychology. In fact it is probably cheaper to shop in small local shops where you buy the items you set out to shop for, whereas in a supermarket you are manipulated from the moment you enter into spending far more than you originally intended!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/3634141/They-have-ways-of-making-you-spend.html
Anyone thinking they spend less in a large supermarket might do well to do some reading up on supermarket psychology. In fact it is probably cheaper to shop in small local shops where you buy the items you set out to shop for, whereas in a supermarket you are manipulated from the moment you enter into spending far more than you originally intended!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/3634141/They-have-ways-of-making-you-spend.html